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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 12:00 PM
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what are your initial impressions so far compared to our VQ?
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by G37Sam
Best I could do with the available resources.
Probably not the best for sound quality but what about the BlackVue DR400G HD II Dash Cam you ordered a while back? (I was looking forward to a review as well)
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by daonlyillwiz
FYI a soft break-in is extremely harmful to the engine... see link below for more info but point is for the first 20 miles the engine needs to be beaten on IE: run the high boost you plan on running and do a series of pulls and letting off throttle to let engine slow itself down (vaccuum created by this will expand the rings to help seal correctly)

Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power

I've followed this procedure for the last 3 race engines i built and 2 that i built for a buddies evo and 1 for a supra so same concepts will hold for an RB.

I wouldn't say "extremely" harmful. Yes, the argument is sound, and I've followed that break in procedure with adequate results, but the possible destructive power of over-revving an engine that has just been built like a Frankenmotor, and along with turbos with itty bitty oil passages that can get blocked up with grit, AND a tune that isn't even ready (probably the most concerning part)... I think it makes more sense to take it easy than worry about removing some hone marks and seating rings.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ashmostro
I wouldn't say "extremely" harmful. Yes, the argument is sound, and I've followed that break in procedure with adequate results, but the possible destructive power of over-revving an engine that has just been built like a Frankenmotor, and along with turbos with itty bitty oil passages that can get blocked up with grit, AND a tune that isn't even ready (probably the most concerning part)... I think it makes more sense to take it easy than worry about removing some hone marks and seating rings.
Yea obviously the tune needs to be in place BEFORE going WOT for the first 20 miles.

The way i do it is start the new engine idle for 20-25 min until it reached standard operating temperature then shut it off and go back the next day and drain the oil and retorque the head. Then i follow that with my first 20 miles of WOT pulls then i drain and refill the oil...after that point the motor has been broken in and rings should have seated.

The reason why i said extremely harmful because if the tune is too rich the cylinder walls will be washed out with fuel and the rings wont properly wear to the hashing on the cylinder walls and even worse not properly breaking in during the first 20 miles will result in improper ring wear and will result in lower than desired compression and excessive blow by etc....

This is if the OP plans on making big power (500WHP + )
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 03:36 PM
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I'm just saying it sounds restrictive. I would want 3" all the way back if it were me The dyno may show gains with your setup over a full 3" but I'd have to have the bigger exhaust just for the sound of it
Haha man! You had me worried there for a second. I'm pretty sure if I told you the 4" DP branched into 3" pipes you wouldn't have made that comment

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Congrats Sam, this is an epic build!

Can't wait for more updates.
Thanks bro!

Originally Posted by ashmostro
Temporary 3k limit might have something to do with that
Temporary indeed!

Originally Posted by daonlyillwiz
FYI a soft break-in is extremely harmful to the engine... see link below for more info but point is for the first 20 miles the engine needs to be beaten on IE: run the high boost you plan on running and do a series of pulls and letting off throttle to let engine slow itself down (vaccuum created by this will expand the rings to help seal correctly)

Break In Secrets--How To Break In New Motorcycle and Car Engines For More Power

I've followed this procedure for the last 3 race engines i built and 2 that i built for a buddies evo and 1 for a supra so same concepts will hold for an RB.
Thing is, the engine is not built nor was taken apart for this build, the 3k rpm lock is because I want to check for leaks and temperatures before boosting the car, and because Raw Brokerage recommended that I "break-in" the clutch before exposing it to insane torque on the dyno.

Originally Posted by indyn
Sam

what are your initial impressions so far compared to our VQ?
The VQ sounded more "refined" I have to admit, the RB is just plain raw & badass which I also love. The pedals and steering are stiffer which also adds to my driving pleasure.

Originally Posted by SooEasyaMonkey
Probably not the best for sound quality but what about the BlackVue DR400G HD II Dash Cam you ordered a while back? (I was looking forward to a review as well)
I haven't gotten around to mounting it to be honest, currently focused on getting my car done and tuned. I'll definitely let you know how I like it.

Originally Posted by ashmostro
I wouldn't say "extremely" harmful. Yes, the argument is sound, and I've followed that break in procedure with adequate results, but the possible destructive power of over-revving an engine that has just been built like a Frankenmotor, and along with turbos with itty bitty oil passages that can get blocked up with grit, AND a tune that isn't even ready (probably the most concerning part)... I think it makes more sense to take it easy than worry about removing some hone marks and seating rings.
You also need to keep in mind that this engine has been probably sitting there for a few months if not years.

Originally Posted by daonlyillwiz
Yea obviously the tune needs to be in place BEFORE going WOT for the first 20 miles.

The way i do it is start the new engine idle for 20-25 min until it reached standard operating temperature then shut it off and go back the next day and drain the oil and retorque the head. Then i follow that with my first 20 miles of WOT pulls then i drain and refill the oil...after that point the motor has been broken in and rings should have seated.

The reason why i said extremely harmful because if the tune is too rich the cylinder walls will be washed out with fuel and the rings wont properly wear to the hashing on the cylinder walls and even worse not properly breaking in during the first 20 miles will result in improper ring wear and will result in lower than desired compression and excessive blow by etc....

This is if the OP plans on making big power (500WHP + )
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 03:44 PM
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Some random updates from today:

So we found out the whining sound was coming from the throttle body flange and not the alternator bushing. Easy fix.

There's still a slight ticking sound in the valvetrain, all the clearances/washers will be measured again tomorrow to make sure they're spot on.

A hydraulic e-brake is also going in there, will be interesting to see where my mechanic will tap into the brake lines since the rears never join.

The swaybar luckily hasn't rubbed over the past two days and she's been in nice dips. I will get it spaced downwards by 10mm anyways just for a peace of mind.

Engine oil will then be drained and inspected, then some fancy oil will go in along with new spark plugs and a battery and then we're off to the DYNO!!
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 03:49 PM
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NICE!

Add some Royal Purple flux capacitor fluid. Don't forget or your driveshaft will melt.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 03:52 PM
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NICE!...ticking might just be lifter tick or a collapsed lifter.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 04:39 PM
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Any plans on tearing the motor down and putting in pistons, rods, etc. in the future? And why the hydraulic E-brake?
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ashmostro
NICE!

Add some Royal Purple flux capacitor fluid. Don't forget or your driveshaft will melt.
That sounds like either an American product or an American joke, either ways I didn't get it lol

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NICE!...ticking might just be lifter tick or a collapsed lifter.
Thats what my mechanic guessed initially, something about clearance being slightly higher than it should be.

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Any plans on tearing the motor down and putting in pistons, rods, etc. in the future?
Oh yeah, I should be placing an order in the next coming months on some either CP or Nitto/JE (still researching) internals with a customized 9.0:1 CR. These will take some time to build and would make a fun little summer project.

And why the hydraulic E-brake?
Two reasons:
1) Because racecar
2) Because it's a lot cheaper than getting an MT center console & handbrake and shipping them across the planet from the US. G's here aren't sold in MT's so the dealer and scrapyard don't have these parts.
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by G37Sam
Two reasons:
1) Because racecar
2) Because it's a lot cheaper than getting an MT center console & handbrake and shipping them across the planet from the US. G's here aren't sold in MT's so the dealer and scrapyard don't have these parts.
Oh yeah duh I forgot you switched to MT lol.
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 09:42 AM
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Hmm thats odd...doesnt sound like valve tap right ? do you know if the head was ever milled ? its possible that its out of spec but i doubt that if you say its stock..

Most likely its something simple.
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 10:26 AM
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i think i missed this but what transmission are you running ?
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 02:29 PM
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I spoke to my mechanic today and he said the clearance on a few valve was slightly over spec but nothing alarming, he is taking care of it. E-brake mounts have been made on the passenger side. Oil inspection came clean, a little thick due to old oil residuals in the engine but thankfully everything is looking great so far.

@lilwiz, I'm using the 5MT RB25 pull type transmission, there are pics in my first post
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 02:56 PM
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Post some more pics! Even if they aren't progression pictures. That motor is just too damn sexy lol.
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