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If VW is at a 50/50 take rate on the 6MT they might keep it. (fingers crossed)
Subaru had a 50/50 take rate on the STI hatch and still killed it off. If it still existed, it would be on my short list to replace the G. Imagine an S209 hatch...
I'm with @qmantran , but I completely understand everyone else's perspective. The OG Supra is one of the best cars ever made IMO, and we were hoping to see that same craftsmanship in the new Supra. Outsourcing the drivetrain is impure to most, especially when we're talking Supra. I think everyone would prefer a drivetrain developed in-house.
I can get past that though, because I couldn't give two sh*** about the Supra lineage. A great car is a great car, no matter if it outsources the drivetrain. Looks are subjective and all, but I think this thing looks fantastic. The drivetrain should be stout and take well to mods. B58 engines have already made their way to the Ward's Top 10 Engines list and people have squeezed a lot of power out of them with just a JB4 tuner. I guarantee the chassis will be balanced and fantastic as well. I do agree that it's a shame they're only offering it in auto (says the guy wanting a DSG Golf R), but that's really my only complaint.
I am not shocking anyone on this forum by saying a GTR, but also I really would like the mark 4 Supra with (and don't like me but an Ls swap, turbos) ? I think that would be fun. Obviously for me a stock new ZR1 IF I'M not building it but I love the process of figuring out my next move and putting it all together.. Maybe because I'm an engineer and naturally like f&$&ing with things
Man everyone is such a debbie downer when it comes to the new supra. Just history repeating itself.
its so easy for everyone to talk negative about it.
Didn't you say you work for Toyota, maybe as a mechanic, or am i mistaking you for someone else?
Originally Posted by RMB5190
Using my G37 for reference, Lets say it depreciates 50% in those 5 years (My 2012 G37 went from 42k to 22k when I bought it in 2017). Now it's worth $25-30k
I'm kinda confused by this. Are you thinking your G37 is work $22? Or $25-30K?
No offense, but I don't think G37s, even 6MTs, are pulling in anywhere near that kind of coin. I got $16K for my '12, with mods, at relatively low miles, ~55K, in great shape, selling privately. I was offered $11.5 on trade. The abundance of base G37s (ie lease specials) coupled with the Q40, absolutely killed the resale value on these cars. IMO if you like it, keep it, it's a fantastic, reliable, easily modded, unique, RWD, naturally aspirated car, and I definitely miss mine, but the resale absolutely sucks. Compare the value to a STi of the same vintage.
Just saw that you're in Chicago too, so I bet you get a nice dose of wind with that cold.
And it'd be in 4-5 years before I got one, so if they're around 25k then, I think I'd go that route over the Golf R. I just can't see them getting that cheap when they're around 40k now.
They really don't look too shabby, but that's quite the downgrade in performance from the G, at least from a handling standpoint. I bet they're comfy as a daily though.
Well, the 300s, is supposed to have a better suspension. but straight line performance would be marginally better. lol... but i bet it is more comfortable.
what Toyota has done is IMO a travesty. I'd rather have NO supra than a Supra with a BMW engine in it. Toyota made basically the best engines in the 80's and 90's, and now they can't even make their own? It's an insulting joke. The same goes for the FRS, that should have been a even more modern Beams style 3SGTE or something. Instead its a boring Subaru motor that's not nearly as legendary or full of potential as engines from 20 years ago.
Why do you think I own a Nissan now?
In the same boat here. I've been waiting since about 2001 when I sold my '97 for the Supra to return. Now, arguably the most powerful auto company in the world, has chosen to insult themselves and their customers with this little car featuring a competitor's engine, trans, etc. I'm actually happy about iDrive, since Toyota and Lexus has some of the worst UI's in the industry. I do like BMWs, so I'm not totally bent that their engine is in there...
But come on - we're to believe Toyota does not have the resources and money in the bank (a little lil flip reference there lol) to make their own mother f'ing sports car? Especially one that has a legendary name? It's bad enough they went almost 20 years without a real sports car in their lineup, shoveling Solaras and Camry sports instead. And then they try to push this on us?? Where's the 2+2 layout? Where's the targa top? Where's the 6-spd Getrag? It's simply ridiculous.
Well, the 300s, is supposed to have a better suspension. but straight line performance would be marginally better. lol... but i bet it is more comfortable.
do they still make a SRT version of the 300? That would certainly solve the straight line power issue.
Didn't you say you work for Toyota, maybe as a mechanic, or am i mistaking you for someone else?
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Yes I work for toyota as a mechanic. Even my co workers agree with all of you guys.
"Outsourcing the power/drivetrain is a disgrace".
"auto only? "
"20 year hiatus to only make 335hp?"
Toyota doesn't make a inline 6 anymore. Well there's the argument "toyota has plenty of money they could have designed their own engine and transmission themselves "
If toyota designed a new motor to be used in 1 low volume selling model (low volume compared to their bread and butter Corolla, camry, rav4) than the price tag of the supra would easily be $80k+.
Look at nissan with the GTR.
Than all of you would cry and complain that the new supra costs too much and doesn't make enough power to justify the price.
for the record toyota already said they test fitted a manual transmission in the supra and everything seems to be good, they just haven't announced if it will be available. Maybe they'll decide to introduce it eventually after hearing so many complaints.
Even if they added a manual transmission people will still cry that it's a bmw motor.
Yes I work for toyota as a mechanic. Even my co workers agree with all of you guys.
"Outsourcing the power/drivetrain is a disgrace".
"auto only? "
"20 year hiatus to only make 335hp?"
Toyota doesn't make a inline 6 anymore. Well there's the argument "toyota has plenty of money they could have designed their own engine and transmission themselves "
If toyota designed a new motor to be used in 1 low volume selling model (low volume compared to their bread and butter Corolla, camry, rav4) than the price tag of the supra would easily be $80k+.
Look at nissan with the GTR.
Than all of you would cry and complain that the new supra costs too much and doesn't make enough power to justify the price.
for the record toyota already said they test fitted a manual transmission in the supra and everything seems to be good, they just haven't announced if it will be available. Maybe they'll decide to introduce it eventually after hearing so many complaints.
Even if they added a manual transmission people will still cry that it's a bmw motor.
Why are people stuck on inline 6 configuration? It's already ditched the 2+2 configuration, so why not use the 3.5 twin turbo from the Lexus LS500?
I don't think anyone in this thread had previously mentioned the Z4, until Toyota reskinned it and slapped a Supra badge on it, so I struggle to see why it's at all special, especially when one looks back at the Supra heritage
Why are people stuck on inline 6 configuration? It's already ditched the 2+2 configuration, so why not use the 3.5 twin turbo from the Lexus LS500?
I don't think anyone in this thread had previously mentioned the Z4, until Toyota reskinned it and slapped a Supra badge on it, so I struggle to see why it's at all special, especially when one looks back at the Supra heritage
As a Supra owner, no one was attached to it because it was a 2+2.. those rear seats were always a joke. We were however attached to it because of the Toyota Inline six. Inline six's have a bunch of important advantages over V6's, like balance and less parts required.
I wasn't dead set on an inline six though, in fact my dream MK5 would have been a NA Inline 8, something different, yet still in line (pun intended) with its heritage.
What they released is just not interesting, hell not even the rear calipers are as nice (looking) as our rear sport calipers. Car just seems lazy.
Man everyone is such a debbie downer when it comes to the new supra. Just history repeating itself.
its so easy for everyone to talk negative about it.
Im still looking at this car from a used car perspective 5 years down the road . I don't plan on buying new for $50k.
just like how many of you are looking at used ATS-V, M3, Golf Rs, etc.
plus in 5 years aftermarket will be abundant for it. Seems like I'm the only one on this board that sees potential in this car. Whereas everyone else just complains of the same 2 things
"it's a bmw drivetrain"
"no manual"
I think the BMW motor is a good thing. They make a solid inline 6. Is the one in the new Supra an aluminum block? Everyone went gaga over the last gen Supra because it had a cast iron block and yes you could get 1,000 hp out of it, but the car still does not handle, brake, or have the fit/finish, equipment, or safety features of a modern car. I think that is where this new Supra will shine. With a 50/50 weight distribution I am sure it will handle well and it should be very quick with the A/T. I wish it would have come with more power, a 6spd, a better front end design, and a back seat. However, I think you are on the right track with picking one up used qman. Just don't expect to see lots of them with 1,000 hp this time around.
Originally Posted by RMB5190
Using my G37 for reference, Lets say it depreciates 50% in those 5 years (My 2012 G37 went from 42k to 22k when I bought it in 2017). Now it's worth $25-30k.
I must be reading this wrong? You think your 2012 G is worth $25k-$30k?!? Nope.
Originally Posted by gord27
Subaru had a 50/50 take rate on the STI hatch and still killed it off. If it still existed, it would be on my short list to replace the G. Imagine an S209 hatch...
That was another bad decision by Subaru to kill the hatch. I loved my STI hatch. Thank you for reminding me of that possibility. With Subaru posting record sales for 10 years straight and I hope some pent up demand for a much better STI there is great possibility for a really good next gen STI. I just hope Subaru doesn't blow it again like they did with the great looking WRX concept that turned out looking like a Toyota Corolla.
Not a replacement for our G (but did replace our old Maxima). Ordered late Oct., shipped out to Las Vegas and we drove it home from Vegas yesterday and did a few mods today w/ tires, wheels, steps, and tint.
