Blackstone Laboratories Oil Analysis Reports
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Depends on who you ask. Some people use a break in oil and then go to full synthetic on their first change after that. Some people say theres a rule of thumb to go 5k miles. And some people say the engine needs to be fully broken (which could be 15k miles) in before going synthetic.
And then whoever is your service guy at the dealership will tell you completely something else.
I like to base my choices on empirical evidence. Based on the UOAs on here, I think you are perfectly fine switching at 3750 and due to the numerous UOAs that all show the nissan ester oil shearing between 3-4k miles, I think its a smart move and a good way to protect your engine.
And then whoever is your service guy at the dealership will tell you completely something else.
I like to base my choices on empirical evidence. Based on the UOAs on here, I think you are perfectly fine switching at 3750 and due to the numerous UOAs that all show the nissan ester oil shearing between 3-4k miles, I think its a smart move and a good way to protect your engine.
^ Well, just some food for thought. What I did was go to the dealer at 3300 miles and have the oil changed with their free change. They put in Nissan Ester oil. That way, I was able to get some of the break in impurities removed from the factory fill, and then use the next 4k miles to continue break in. I just changed my oil to synthetic at 7200 miles and my UOA showed that I still had break in wear metals in my oil, which is normal and what I expected.
The reason I chose not to go synthetic at 3300 miles and to use the free oil change was because I knew there was going to be a lot of trace wear metals floating around in my oil. Im on schedule 2, and plan on doing a longer OCI. I didnt want to put in Redline only to have it get all the wear metals in it and have to do only a 3750 OCI.
The Nissan Ester oil is fine for a regular 3750 OCI. So if you have a free one and you plan on doing a longer OCI with the Redline, an option would be to use the free oil change while your engine is still breaking in and there are a high level of wear metals in your oil. Another 3750 miles and the amount of wear from your engine should be decreasing. Then, if you put in Redline for your second oil change, you should be able to do a longer OCI and the oil wont have as much wear metals in it.
The reason I chose not to go synthetic at 3300 miles and to use the free oil change was because I knew there was going to be a lot of trace wear metals floating around in my oil. Im on schedule 2, and plan on doing a longer OCI. I didnt want to put in Redline only to have it get all the wear metals in it and have to do only a 3750 OCI.
The Nissan Ester oil is fine for a regular 3750 OCI. So if you have a free one and you plan on doing a longer OCI with the Redline, an option would be to use the free oil change while your engine is still breaking in and there are a high level of wear metals in your oil. Another 3750 miles and the amount of wear from your engine should be decreasing. Then, if you put in Redline for your second oil change, you should be able to do a longer OCI and the oil wont have as much wear metals in it.
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^ Well, just some food for thought. What I did was go to the dealer at 3300 miles and have the oil changed with their free change. They put in Nissan Ester oil. That way, I was able to get some of the break in impurities removed from the factory fill, and then use the next 4k miles to continue break in. I just changed my oil to synthetic at 7200 miles and my UOA showed that I still had break in wear metals in my oil, which is normal and what I expected.
The reason I chose not to go synthetic at 3300 miles and to use the free oil change was because I knew there was going to be a lot of trace wear metals floating around in my oil. Im on schedule 2, and plan on doing a longer OCI. I didnt want to put in Redline only to have it get all the wear metals in it and have to do only a 3750 OCI.
The Nissan Ester oil is fine for a regular 3750 OCI. So if you have a free one and you plan on doing a longer OCI with the Redline, an option would be to use the free oil change while your engine is still breaking in and there are a high level of wear metals in your oil. Another 3750 miles and the amount of wear from your engine should be decreasing. Then, if you put in Redline for your second oil change, you should be able to do a longer OCI and the oil wont have as much wear metals in it.
The reason I chose not to go synthetic at 3300 miles and to use the free oil change was because I knew there was going to be a lot of trace wear metals floating around in my oil. Im on schedule 2, and plan on doing a longer OCI. I didnt want to put in Redline only to have it get all the wear metals in it and have to do only a 3750 OCI.
The Nissan Ester oil is fine for a regular 3750 OCI. So if you have a free one and you plan on doing a longer OCI with the Redline, an option would be to use the free oil change while your engine is still breaking in and there are a high level of wear metals in your oil. Another 3750 miles and the amount of wear from your engine should be decreasing. Then, if you put in Redline for your second oil change, you should be able to do a longer OCI and the oil wont have as much wear metals in it.
^ thats BS.
I'd tell the dealer that the factory fill is Nissan Ester oil. The ticking TSB calls for the use of Nissan Ester oil. And from the owners manual:
"11: NISSAN recommends Genuine NISSAN Ester Engine Oil available at your NISSAN dealer."
Your dealership should carry Nissan Ester oil and you should be able to get that for your first free oil change.
I'd tell the dealer that the factory fill is Nissan Ester oil. The ticking TSB calls for the use of Nissan Ester oil. And from the owners manual:
"11: NISSAN recommends Genuine NISSAN Ester Engine Oil available at your NISSAN dealer."
Your dealership should carry Nissan Ester oil and you should be able to get that for your first free oil change.
^ You bet it is! It cant hurt to ask. And if some reason the dealership wont do it or doesnt carry it (which is a whole different issue) or only does the free oil change with Kendall and wants you to pay for the Nissan Ester oil, then just use the free labor and go with redline.
Going to totally bring back an old argument.
Nissan's DLC is not developed for the VQ37HR, and I just found something showing that.
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU...0713VVEL-e.pdf
Refer to 4.3 It is old tech retained from older engines. FINALLY found something solid to back what I've been saying for years. =X
Nissan's DLC is not developed for the VQ37HR, and I just found something showing that.
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU...0713VVEL-e.pdf
Refer to 4.3 It is old tech retained from older engines. FINALLY found something solid to back what I've been saying for years. =X
Heres the VOA for PU 5x20 incase you havent seen it. Im guessing the additives are going to be the same for the 5w30, just the viscosities different.
Pennzoil Ultra 5W20 - Bob Is The Oil Guy
And Im also looking forward to seeing a UOA to see how it wears in this engine.
Pennzoil Ultra 5W20 - Bob Is The Oil Guy
And Im also looking forward to seeing a UOA to see how it wears in this engine.
Hello, I wanted to do this analysis for my first batch of factory oil but the cool guys at Infiniti of Montclair mustve forgotten even though I had told them to fill the container GRRR.
Anyway I bought this pump so I can do it myself next time:
The hose is about 24 inches long.
Is it long enough to grab some oil from the dipstick area? Thanks.
Anyway I bought this pump so I can do it myself next time:
The hose is about 24 inches long.
Is it long enough to grab some oil from the dipstick area? Thanks.
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Going to totally bring back an old argument.
Nissan's DLC is not developed for the VQ37HR, and I just found something showing that.
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU...0713VVEL-e.pdf
Refer to 4.3 It is old tech retained from older engines. FINALLY found something solid to back what I've been saying for years. =X
Nissan's DLC is not developed for the VQ37HR, and I just found something showing that.
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU...0713VVEL-e.pdf
Refer to 4.3 It is old tech retained from older engines. FINALLY found something solid to back what I've been saying for years. =X
Actually, I've also seen other PDFs before from Nissan referring to the DLC as new technology for the VQ35 and VQ25. For example:
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU.../VQ35HR_EN.pdf