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View Poll Results: What brand of oil do you use in your G coupe/sedan?
Motul (300v or 8100)
56
4.06%
German Castrol
44
3.19%
Amsoil
46
3.33%
Redline
49
3.55%
Royal Purple
79
5.72%
Mobil 1 Synthetic
653
47.28%
Pennzoil Platinum
133
9.63%
Valvoline SynPower
31
2.24%
Eneos Synthetic
22
1.59%
Quaker State
10
0.72%
Lucas Oils (synthetic)
6
0.43%
Schaeffer Synthetic Oil
4
0.29%
Nissan Ester Oil
171
12.38%
Conventional 5w30 "dino oil"
77
5.58%
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 02:48 PM
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just got my oil change, switched to synthetic at 24,700 miles. Thats right unless you got the knock sound they wont put the ester oil, actually the dealer I went to doesn't even carry it. The Service tech did say that when they do that they update the ECU and you do lose some low end power.

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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 05:00 PM
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Thanks for the answers.. For you FYI, I typed that post with my Iphone, My I phone has something called spell check, when I typed Infiniti earlier today, the Iphone did not recognize Infiniti as a correct word and automatically changed it to Infinity.. .DOMO
Originally Posted by KnoxvilleG37
Because the answers are in that little book in your glove box called the "Owner's Manual".

But, I'll answer your questions:

1. If you don't have receipts for your maintenance, and you have an oil related failure....kiss your engine warranty goodbye. That's $8500 plus a crapload of labor costs.
2. Yes 5w30 is the recommended viscosity for our cars (in the owners manual). Using anything other than this is not recommended by Infiniti.
3. Yes, you are supposed to replace the drain plug washer with every oil change. (again, this is in the manual, and stated MANY times in the maintenance thread).

And, the reason I said "let the flaming begin", is because you own an Infiniti, not an "infinity".
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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by KnoxvilleG37
Because the answers are in that little book in your glove box called the "Owner's Manual".

But, I'll answer your questions:

1. If you don't have receipts for your maintenance, and you have an oil related failure....kiss your engine warranty goodbye. That's $8500 plus a crapload of labor costs.
2. Yes 5w30 is the recommended viscosity for our cars (in the owners manual). Using anything other than this is not recommended by Infiniti.
3. Yes, you are supposed to replace the drain plug washer with every oil change. (again, this is in the manual, and stated MANY times in the maintenance thread).

And, the reason I said "let the flaming begin", is because you own an Infiniti, not an "infinity".
1. Maybe, maybe not. If you have an oil related engine problem, you might have a tough time, but then again you might not. You do not automatically kiss your warranty goodbye without receipts. This is academic anyway, with any kind of reasonable oil change schedule you will never have an oil related engine failure. Unless you track the car. Since tracking the car is a warranty issue anyway, if I was tracking my car, I would change the oil more frequently.

2. 5W-30 is no hard and fast rule. In fact, if I was tracking my car I would use a 40 weight or even 50 weight oil for added protection.

3. I have reused drain plug washers 10 times on cars with no problems. Just don't overtighten the plug.
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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 10:38 AM
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^^^ Yeah that's true. Very good points.
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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 11:06 AM
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thx, sorry about the noobieness I just got the car[ QUOTE=todd92;2697453]1. Maybe, maybe not. If you have an oil related engine problem, you might have a tough time, but then again you might not. You do not automatically kiss your warranty goodbye without receipts. This is academic anyway, with any kind of reasonable oil change schedule you will never have an oil related engine failure. Unless you track the car. Since tracking the car is a warranty issue anyway, if I was tracking my car, I would change the oil more frequently.

2. 5W-30 is no hard and fast rule. In fact, if I was tracking my car I would use a 40 weight or even 50 weight oil for added protection.

3. I have reused drain plug washers 10 times on cars with no problems. Just don't overtighten the plug.[/QUOTE]
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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by todd92
2. 5W-30 is no hard and fast rule. In fact, if I was tracking my car I would use a 40 weight or even 50
How is using a thicker, heavier oil, designed for tolerances different from the VQ37, giving you additional protection?

Tracking the car is no harder in terms of engine load, than doing a high speed freeway run.
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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike
How is using a thicker, heavier oil, designed for tolerances different from the VQ37, giving you additional protection?

Tracking the car is no harder in terms of engine load, than doing a high speed freeway run.
Oil gets thinner as it gets hotter. Thin oil protects worse. Tracking is way harder than driving 100 mph on the freeway, oil engine temperatures are much higher with the lower speeds, higher rpm and repeated full throttle acceleration.
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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by todd92
Oil gets thinner as it gets hotter. Thin oil protects worse. Tracking is way harder than driving 100 mph on the freeway, oil engine temperatures are much higher with the lower speeds, higher rpm and repeated full throttle acceleration.
Oil's viscosity does decrease as temperature rises.

However, you still havn't answered my question. Being at WOT is being at WOT. The load is the same, regardless of if the car is on a dyno, on the freeway, or at the track.

If oil get dangerously hot, this car is designed to go into limp mode to prevent the engine from being damaged. In addition, any oil, if too hot, is going to break down. If anything, coolant temperature should be the larger concern.

There is absolutely NO reason to run a heavier oil. The engine's tolerances are too tight.
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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike
Oil's viscosity does decrease as temperature rises.

However, you still havn't answered my question. Being at WOT is being at WOT. The load is the same, regardless of if the car is on a dyno, on the freeway, or at the track.

If oil get dangerously hot, this car is designed to go into limp mode to prevent the engine from being damaged. In addition, any oil, if too hot, is going to break down. If anything, coolant temperature should be the larger concern.

There is absolutely NO reason to run a heavier oil. The engine's tolerances are too tight.
You do not drive WOT on the freeway, at least not for very long. Dyno runs aren't very long either. Both have large cooling airflow. If you don't understand that repeatedly accelerating from 30-60 to 100+ over and over again produces higher oil temperatures, I really can't explain much else to you.
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Old Jul 30, 2009 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by todd92
You do not drive WOT on the freeway, at least not for very long. Dyno runs aren't very long either. Both have large cooling airflow. If you don't understand that repeatedly accelerating from 30-60 to 100+ over and over again produces higher oil temperatures, I really can't explain much else to you.
You don't know the guys I drive with down in Mexico...

I've seen extended WOT runs of a few minutes +, followed by a slowdown to normal freeway speeds, only to go back to WOT.

Again, WOT is WOT, engine load is no different. Cooling efficiency on a track is arguably higher than that of a Dyno. Additionally, I do know tuners/racers that do drag and top speed simulations on a dyno.

Again, there is ZERO reason to run a higher viscosity oil. The car WILL NOT ALLOW oil temperatures to exceed levels unsafe for a 5W30 or 10W30.
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by KnoxvilleG37
^^ Mobil 1 is "full synthetic" but not "100% synthetic".....there's a difference. Oil brands like Motul and Amsoil are 100% synthetic (completely man-made molecules). Oils like Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum, Castrol Syntec, etc, are highly refined versions of conventional "dino" oils with different additive packages to increase resistance to breakdown (these are known as Group III oils).....basically they help keep the oil from breaking down or shearing down over a much longer period of time. Mobil 1 is a fine oil, as are the others mentioned above. Remember, just because you use a synthetic oil, it doesn't mean you're allowed to go past 7500 miles between changes if you want to keep your factory warranty on your engine.

EDIT: Also I forgot to address the other part of your question about an oil change before 3750mi. YES, quite a few guys on here do an oil change anywhere from the first 200 miles to the first 1000 miles. Thought is that there are fine metallic particles from the engine floating around in the oil during the "engine break-in period", and that this initial factory fill should be drained around that time. YES, this is very OCD and you will be fine waiting til 3750 miles. But if you decide to do an early change during the break-in, there's nothing wrong with that either. I wish I would have, but I didn't know about it until after my first 3750 mile service.
Wow, he's totally right. I Googled "Group III Oils" and articles support his statements.
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jran76
So, just to clear up a few comments in here... The VQ37VHR is different than any other VQ engine, or any other engine for that matter, in regards to the VVEL system. This is unlike any system used on any other car, and that is why the Ester oil is recommended by Nissan. I have always been a big supporter of synthetic oil, but I am not convinced that it is actually better for the VQ37VHR (in general, yes the synthetic is better, but there are some advantages on the VQ37VHR engine).

There are 2 main factors: 1) the DLC coating on our engine parts need the Ester for better protection, and 2) the nano-particles to reduce friction. Nissan is the first to use these "nano-particles" to aid in the reduction of friction. The nano-particles are essentially super small ball bearings in the oil that aid in the reducing friction on the DLC coated surfaces. There is also a section of the VVEL system that really needs this additional protection. The continual adjustment part of the system on the intake side rocks back and forth (a traditional variable valve setup will spin the entire assembly around), and therefore it does not get the type of lubrication that a variable valve drive system would normally get. This is where the "ticking" sounds comes in that some people have reported. This is also the reason Nissan recommends the Nissan Ester oil. It will resolve the issue, but it has to do with the combination of the Ester (which a lot of oils add), and the nano-particles that no other oil currently has (this is also what Nissan would really like to patent).

As I mentioned, I have always been big on decent synthetic oils, but I would like for someone to prove with more than the conventional evidence that the synthetics have the same advantages as the Nissan Ester oil on the VQ37VHR. The VVEL system in our cars is a whole new ballgame in terms of variable valve control, and the oil really is different than anything out there. I think everyone accepts that in general synthetics are better than conventional "dino" oil, but the Nissan Ester oil is far removed from being a traditional "dino" oil.
From this site I've learned that there are so called synthetic (Group III Oils) and actual synthetic oils. Now I've been introduced to Nissan ester oil which has better characteristics at high temperatures, lubricating and reducing frictiion. Does Nissan ester oil have the 7,500 to 10,000 mile between oil change advanatage the Group III and real synthetics have or am I back to changing oil ever 3750 miles?
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 09:13 AM
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So we're back the OCI question again.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 02:56 PM
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Nissan ester oil is a conventional oil with an ester additive.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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I have always used synthetis oils. I have used Mobile 1 exclusively in my vehicles since 1984. I have always thought that I got better mileage with that verses regular. Not sure about this Nissan Ester Oil.

I always thought that "change the oil every 3,000 miles" was a gimmic. Makes us more dependant on oil. Seems like another example of the auto industry subversing to the oil industry. I always love a good conspiracy.
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