Is automatic terrible?
I'm 23 and I've never considered getting a 6MT on either of my G's. I don't really understand what the big deal is, back in the day MT was for people who wanted to save some money and think they were getting better gas mileage but now the MT is more than an Auto! I don't think there's a damn thing girly about an Auto, who really wants to shift gears constantly, it would only be fun for me for a few weeks, at most.
In F1 they have clutches and they are computer controlled for everything except starting from a stop. For that they have to use a button the steering wheel -- yikes!
Once they get moving they just flick the paddle to shift and the computer does the clutching/declutching for them. What's cool about the modern autoclutch manual is that they are using TWO clutches instead of one. One for the current gear and one for the next gear up or down. So when the driver flicks the paddle, the car engages the next gear on the second shaft while still using the primary shaft to power the car, and then when all is ready to go it engages the second clutch. This is a seamless shift and totally awesome. The only downside is that this arrangement does not allow skipping gears -- to get from 6th to 2nd you must engage 5th, 4th, and 3rd. But that's a small price to pay and in the case of an F1 car the shifts are so fast it really does not matter.
You would need two clutch pedals and three feet to do that yourself, so no question when that is an option in your street car, it will be the best option hands down. The tranny in the GTR already features this dual-clutch arrangement. Nissan quotes 100ms shift time -- typical clutched manual shift time is about 250ms (according to MotorTrend). The 5AT in the G is in the 500ms range. An F1 car shifts in about 10ms. Crazy!
Sigh... they have clutches, they are just computer-controlled.
In F1 they have clutches and they are computer controlled for everything except starting from a stop. For that they have to use a button the steering wheel -- yikes!
Once they get moving they just flick the paddle to shift and the computer does the clutching/declutching for them. What's cool about the modern autoclutch manual is that they are using TWO clutches instead of one. One for the current gear and one for the next gear up or down. So when the driver flicks the paddle, the car engages the next gear on the second shaft while still using the primary shaft to power the car, and then when all is ready to go it engages the second clutch. This is a seamless shift and totally awesome. The only downside is that this arrangement does not allow skipping gears -- to get from 6th to 2nd you must engage 5th, 4th, and 3rd. But that's a small price to pay and in the case of an F1 car the shifts are so fast it really does not matter.
You would need two clutch pedals and three feet to do that yourself, so no question when that is an option in your street car, it will be the best option hands down. The tranny in the GTR already features this dual-clutch arrangement. Nissan quotes 100ms shift time -- typical clutched manual shift time is about 250ms (according to MotorTrend). The 5AT in the G is in the 500ms range. An F1 car shifts in about 10ms. Crazy!
In F1 they have clutches and they are computer controlled for everything except starting from a stop. For that they have to use a button the steering wheel -- yikes!
Once they get moving they just flick the paddle to shift and the computer does the clutching/declutching for them. What's cool about the modern autoclutch manual is that they are using TWO clutches instead of one. One for the current gear and one for the next gear up or down. So when the driver flicks the paddle, the car engages the next gear on the second shaft while still using the primary shaft to power the car, and then when all is ready to go it engages the second clutch. This is a seamless shift and totally awesome. The only downside is that this arrangement does not allow skipping gears -- to get from 6th to 2nd you must engage 5th, 4th, and 3rd. But that's a small price to pay and in the case of an F1 car the shifts are so fast it really does not matter.
You would need two clutch pedals and three feet to do that yourself, so no question when that is an option in your street car, it will be the best option hands down. The tranny in the GTR already features this dual-clutch arrangement. Nissan quotes 100ms shift time -- typical clutched manual shift time is about 250ms (according to MotorTrend). The 5AT in the G is in the 500ms range. An F1 car shifts in about 10ms. Crazy!
Oh check this out:
http://germancarscene.com/2008/03/13...-transmission/
Instead of dual-clutch; it's a MULTI-cluch.



Also, don't take this as a slam on this car as it's beautiful, handles great and why I bought it, but surely not a REAL man's sport car.

BTW, I bought a AT incase my wife needs to drive it......some people do have other people in their lives who don't know MT's. Give me a real sports car and there is nothing like heel-toeing when running the car on back roads!
Last edited by dillyyo; May 26, 2008 at 02:09 PM.
LOL... HAHAHAH... I'm not even your friend and I'm laughing at YOU, and not because of anything to do with your car (sorry SPORTS CAR)... I'm just laughing at how idiotic ur first post on this forum is... good job buddy, u defintely know how to make a good first impression, I look forward to your future posts... Welcome!!!
LOL... HAHAHAH... I'm not even your friend and I'm laughing at YOU, and not because of anything to do with your car (sorry SPORTS CAR)... I'm just laughing at how idiotic ur first post on this forum is... good job buddy, u defintely know how to make a good first impression, I look forward to your future posts... Welcome!!!
But it appears that you think it was driven primarily to impress your friends.
To each his own. I drive my car the way I intended for it to be driven not my friends.





