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I want one!!!! the tune ability should be sick, probably very cheap to make it extremely fast. probably will exceed the power of the new 400hp 4.0L V8 M3 easily. not saying that it will have the same bullet proof engine as the 2jz, but its the same set up. 3.0L inline 6 fed by twin turbos for minimal lag. if the drivetrain is bullet proof when it comes out, then its pretty much the new supra everyone wanted

 

man, suffice to say id get this over the new redesigned G or the new supra which will be NA powered, not that im a big fan of the bmw bodystyle.. Its not as sexy, and its a dime a dozen on the street. but this drive train is just sick... droool...

 

Not a bad setup. I'd stick with the G though. For the cost of upgrading the stock turbos you could FI your G.

 

yeah, I congratulate them on making that, but at the same time, I dont find it attractive. I am really in love with the idea of having a new Supra. I am one of the crazy ones who will buy it the first year it comes out. I hope its a lot sooner than later.

 

i intend on sticking with my G for a few years. If I get this, it will be a few years down the line.

the G's engine isnt made for FI, so internals will need to be rebuilt in order to handle high boost with durability. The design philosophy for a good NA engine and a good FI engine is kinda different. Whereas NA engine goes for light weight (thus weaker) parts that will allow for higher revs, FI engine goes for strong durable parts that can withstand boost without breaking. Our VQ35 engine have relatively weak rods and block that cant safely handle boost. with a factory FI engine, you can simply dial up the boost and get lots of power safely without worrying about blowing the engine, and they tend to respond much better to other bolt ons as well.

theres probably no need to even upgrade the stock turbos on that bmw unless you are trying to get insane amount of power, like 400-500+whp.
just my speculation. well see how this thing turns out after it comes out, for now i really like the potential of the return of twin turboed 3.0L I6 configuration, even though this time its bmw instead of toyota.

 

yeah bmw's are a dime a dozen these days, and they really dont offer the unique look of the Z/G or the new Supra. Im just not a fan of the new supra right now because its a far cry from the legendary 2JZ twin turbo supras of the 90s.

this new iteration will be strictly NA and using the 3.5L V6 in the IS350 and a 5.0L V8 which is a bored and stroked out version of the 4.3L in the SC430 and GS430. They will be great engines that makes great power, but they will also be pretty much maxed out in terms of potential. Like the G and Z, mods wont add much power at all. You are pretty much stuck with what you get.

I think one of the main reasons why the old 2JZ tt supras are so well recieved is due to their tuning potential. people spend very little money and they are making 400+whp easily with cheap basic performance upgrades. without that factory FI setup, the new Supra just seems like the 350z in a different body to me.

coincidentally this bmw on the otherhand will/should offer what the old 2JZ tt supras offers in terms of making massive power.

 

I'll wait for the m3... I want to keep the G for at least 2-3 years. By then if the new GTR isnt ricoculously expensive the M3 would be my next choice. The new Supra does look hot though.....

 

i actually had the chance to get a E46 M3 intead of my G when I bought it in July. One of my best friend's sister's fiance was selling his used 2002 M3 with 33k miles because he was getting married and needed to swtich to a FX35. The car got appraised for 32k, which was a great deal and cheaper than what I eventually paid for my G35. I was really tempted at the time, then i looked at the insurance rate, and how much it cost to maintain that thing, and at the gas mileage.. (he was getting 13-16mpg city without a lead foot!) I realized theres no way in hell i can afford that at this point of my life lol.

I actually think from a performance standpoint, this bmw 335i will be way faster than the new upcoming 400hp M3 with a few cheap mods. while the new M3 will be pretty maxed out and wont respond well to mods. of course the 335i lacks the almighty M badge

 

As two increasing the boost on a stock FI versus adding to a N/A;
An engine will be designed within a certain factor of saftey for whatever the manufacturer wants. The compression ratio, heat desipation, and rev/engine cylce are going to be an issue either way. Weight is the enemy no matter how you want to power your car. They're not going to design in alot of extra potential that's not going to be used without a reason. (ex. either they want to use the engine for some stock upgrades later, or they're looking to keep the platform around for a while and needs some wiggle room).
i.e. if you have a stock turboed car running 8psi and you want to replace the turbo to give it 16psi youre going to have approximatly the same issues to deal with as taking a N/A and moving it to 8psi.

 

i think that depends on the car, if you look at the WRX, EVO, STI, SUPRA, skyline GT-R, mustang SVT cobra, certain supercharged AMG models, those cars can just dial up the boost by quite a bit without worrying about blowing the engine. especially the Supra and skyline GT-R. these cars sort of coined the term "bullet proof internal" I think car manufactureres have a tendency to make FI engines stronger and handle more boost than the factory setting. probably not with the aftermarket in mind, but more for safety purposes.

 

The Supra TT for instance doesn't use the same block as the N/A. The 2JZ is an excellent platform and respondse well to tuning, but you're still loosing some reliability. You wouldn't want to take a Supra from 320 to 550hp and drive it everyday, expecially on stock internals.
They do make the engines capable of taking more abuse than stock. There are a couple of reasons that are kind of connected:
1) You have to design a little past spec for Saftey.
2) and for Reliability. These Japanese companies even in the early 90's were banking on their cars lasting for 200,000+ miles. Can't do that with a marginal design.

 

thatt is crazzzy

 

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GTR !! or z06 for me

 

ive been reading supra forums in the past, bpu and pbu+ supras running 400-500whp are very reliable. thats why supras are so high in demand because of the bullet proof drive train and transmission. from what i read on the forums its when they get to really high hp like 600+ thats when they need to do some engine work. Same goes for the cobra,

my friends 2003 SVT cobra is pushing 475whp, and he only dropped about 2 thousand bucks worth of bolt on mods and left the engine untouched. its running very reliable and tons of cobras have been running safely with this setup for a long time.

my point is, given the propensity for manufactureres to beef up the internals of FI engines, like the way you mentioned. its really cheap to get extra hp from those cars. tons of EVOs are runing 300whp with basic mods and stock internals just fine. In fact when Jess is done dropping like 1500 bucks on his Evo RS, hed be pushing 300+whp too. I believe this bmw 335i will be the same, and offer really good bang for the buck for power compared to factory NA cars and still run reliably. Of course theres a threshhold for every engine where too much is just too much, but there tends to be a lot more wiggle room for these FI cars compared to our cars and the new upcoming supra.
i dont think 400whp is that much for a factory FIed 3.0l I6 to handle.