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Old Oct 27, 2021 | 10:27 AM
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6MT question, is this normal?

Alright so I don't think this is normal but hey who knows. When I'm in 6th, any speed, when I let off the throttle the shifter pops up a bit (toward 5th gear). Doesn't pop out of gear, just a little 1/4-1/2 inch movement that I wasn't expecting. I come from a t56 magnum and I never had that happen before so it doesn't seem right to me. Also is the throwout bearing on these normally that loud? I drove 3 before I bought this one and you could hear it at idle on all 3. Not loud but still audible. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Old Oct 27, 2021 | 03:14 PM
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Mine makes noise at idle, too. Particularly noticeable when you're idling next to other cars in a parking lot, or in the garage or against a wall. Been like that forever.

As for the shifter popping forward from 6th to 5th... Never experienced that before.
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Old Oct 27, 2021 | 03:23 PM
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Alright, well at least that answers the throwout bearing question. Maybe I'll get lucky and someone will say something like "oh yeah, that's just this". A guy can dream right, lol.
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Old Oct 28, 2021 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Torque_junkie
Alright, well at least that answers the throwout bearing question. Maybe I'll get lucky and someone will say something like "oh yeah, that's just this". A guy can dream right, lol.
So I have driven many cars and trucks and noticed this as well especially on tractor trailers.I was paying close attention to my other car saab 6 speed and nothing. So I took out my g for a cruise and almost felt like I was going crazy as the gears where actually staying in place. I hit the highway and sure enough it comes out a bit in 6th. All other gears are fine except for 6. I would say its normal.

As for the other question I think it's the flywheel that makes the noise. Almost like a tractor/18 wheeler.not sure if you know what I'm talking about but that is normal as well. If you think the noise you hear is different please let us know as it may be something different.
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Old Oct 28, 2021 | 11:52 PM
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I figured it would be the throwout bearing as the sound pretty much dissappears when you press the clutch. Soon as it's loaded up on the pressure plate it's fine. You let out on the clutch in neutral and then you can hear it spinning on the input shaft. Probably makes noise in all the other gears too but when you're moving it isn't noticeable.
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Old Oct 29, 2021 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Torque_junkie
I figured it would be the throwout bearing as the sound pretty much dissappears when you press the clutch. Soon as it's loaded up on the pressure plate it's fine. You let out on the clutch in neutral and then you can hear it spinning on the input shaft. Probably makes noise in all the other gears too but when you're moving it isn't noticeable.
well as Rochester mentioned its something the cars do and nothing to worry about. From my understanding of a bad throw out bearing it would be more audible when you would be pressing in the clutch .My understanding of hydraulic throw out bearing dont spin all the time as there is a small gap between it and the fins. Only when the clutch is pressed in is when it spins. I dont think it makes noise when your driving as it is connected to the transmission and the engine noise vibrations are transfers over. I've heard it well coasting doing 40 but again in neutral with pedal released so it is a bit noticeable.
hope this eases your mind a bit of any issues you may think you have🤟
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Originally Posted by Birdie
well as Rochester mentioned its something the cars do and nothing to worry about.
Never said I don't worry about it, LOL. Hearing a mechanical rattle with the window down while the engine is running and you're in neutral next to another car in a parking lot, a noise that only goes away when you depress the clutch pedal... I don't like it either. So you roll the window up, and turn on the radio. Or you turn the car off until your wife gets out of the store.



Things like this can really get under your skin, if you let it. It's also a valid reason why not to get a LW flywheel, as much as I think I'd enjoy it.

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Old Oct 29, 2021 | 11:08 AM
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The noise you're hearing is common and it comes from your clutch area, certain times it's the dual mass flywheel other times it's the CSC.
As for 6th, remember that 6th is the highest loaded gear and many times a disconnect (clutch in or deceleration) will jerk the drive line from a decent load to none.
This jerk depending on the condition of your driveline rubber components can be excessive and if it is it can cause the popping out of gear.
You also have to take into consideration internally, 2nd gear is one of the most abused gears in most manual cars which means any wearing of forks and components on upwards or downward gears can affect those in that row as well.
If you're not having to over compensate for other downward gears like 2nd or 4th then most likely you have excess play in mounts/bushings that is causing this.

A good way of seeing this is to pay attention to a power shifted 2nd gear and try to record/watch the shifter as the car is trying to lay the power down, some shifters act like baby vibrators and others like mangling monsters
Get your rubbers straight (no pun intended) and I believe you wont have this issue.
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Old Oct 29, 2021 | 03:39 PM
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The noise you're hearing is common and it comes from your clutch area, certain times it's the dual mass flywheel other times it's the CSC.
As for 6th, remember that 6th is the highest loaded gear and many times a disconnect (clutch in or deceleration) will jerk the drive line from a decent load to none.
This jerk depending on the condition of your driveline rubber components can be excessive and if it is it can cause the popping out of gear.
You also have to take into consideration internally, 2nd gear is one of the most abused gears in most manual cars which means any wearing of forks and components on upwards or downward gears can affect those in that row as well.
If you're not having to over compensate for other downward gears like 2nd or 4th then most likely you have excess play in mounts/bushings that is causing this.

A good way of seeing this is to pay attention to a power shifted 2nd gear and try to record/watch the shifter as the car is trying to lay the power down, some shifters act like baby vibrators and others like mangling monsters
Get your rubbers straight (no pun intended) and I believe you wont have this issue.
Sounds like great advice. I've really only powered off into second like twice but I haven't noticed anything weird about it but I'll keep an eye out next time I run her hard. Thanks for the help guys (pardon me for assuming anyone's gender *said dripping with sarcasm*). Nice to see a forum that is still up and running. 😁😁😁
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