I think I drove a 2017 with all the options + optional sport exhaust. I agree its a lateral move. I want my next car to be better in every way.

I do like the b9.5 s5 / s4 though. And those came in manual. ATS-V is nice as well but im not a huge fan of Cadillac.

 

^think you mean B8.5 S4? Pretty sure B9 discontinued the stick shift.

Saw an ATS-V up close, maybe this is an odd observation, but to me, the wheels/wheel wells look wayyyy too small for the car. I'm sure it's something I could overlook if the driving feel is all that it's cracked up to be.

 

Have only ever seen the ATS, not the V. Looks kind of boring and bland, IMO. The only element to the car that I like is the exhaust tips. Everything else looks GM generic to me.

 

Even the ATS-V styling looks a bit bland, especially compared to an M3

 

Looks pretty good to me...

 

Very frequently I think about what my next car will be a few years down the road. If they continue to depreciate at the rate they are ATS-V would be a strong contender if it weren't for that absolutely awful infotainment system. I work for Enterprise and I drive some of the new Cadillac models and the lack of buttons and ***** is absolutely infuriating to me. I'll never understand this trend. I could never and will never have a Cadillac just for that reason. It's a shame because the ATS-V checks off all the other boxes...looks (great looker IMO), value, performance, available 6MT, etc.

I'd love to keep my G for a long time and rack up the miles on it and save my money for a weekend drop top warrior, but after getting my car on a lift for the first time in a while yesterday I saw the amount of rust/corrosion building. Front/rear cross members, exhaust, various mounting points have much more rust than I'd expect for a 2013 w/ 77k.

Stinger GT is still leading the pack for me.

 

Oh yeah you're right. 8.5 not 9.

I like the Stinger GT also. Havent driven one but I sat it in and it was pretty nice.

 

is there a rumor or future plan of releasing the STI hatch? always loved the way that car looked

 

There have been rumors for years about an STI hatch making a return. I hope they are true and it looks good. I had an '09 STI hatch and loved that car.

When Subaru released the hatch version of the STI they said the designers spent more time on the styling of the rear end as they expected that to be the view most commonly seen by their competitors. They were right though, the styling from the back looked a little better than the front.

 

I'd love a hatch, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

IIRC, something like 60-70% of STI-WRXs were sedans. On what is already a low volume niche car, certifying, crash testing, and all the other regulations get pricey to do two body configurations.

 

the ATS V coupes are where it's at IMO. They are essentially 2 seat touring vehicles as the backseat might hold a teacup poodle perhaps but nothing more. the way it hugs you though in the corners and incredibly smooth power delivery. you don't even realize you've banged through 2-3 gears and are approaching 100mph. seeing 200mph on the speedo is also pretty badass. They are just incredible vehicles.


yes, the wheels look oddly small and they are. I believe OEM are 18s. throw 19s and stiffer suspension (I wouldn't even drop the car) and you would have a great track vehicle. With a couple small bolt ons and tune they are taking down GTRs according to youtube and V groups i'm part of.


0-60 in 4.5 seconds isn't bad stock and yes they do depreciate like crazy. you can find 3,000 mile 2016 examples for high 30s right now.

 

Actually, sub 4 seconds 0-60:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...an-test-review

I like the ATS-V, but I'm a wee little bit concerned about long term reliability

Edit: I'm not quite seeing 30K ATS-Vs, but I'm looking at 4 doors, of which, cars.com lists 9 with a manual. Only 3 of which are actually manuals.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...9194/overview/

I'm seeing prices in the high 40s-low 50s, which sadly, is about $10K more than I want to go.

 

If I can get the financing lined up I'm looking to get an LS460 this weekend. Something to soothe me on my commute that still gets out of its own way. I love the way they look too.

 

I'm hoping the fact that Subaru has had record sales for the last 9 years means that they can finally invest in making the next STI special. The current Impreza comes in a sedan and 5 door so no reason the STI can't as well. Here's to hoping...

Don't worry about the price of the ATS-V. They are depreciating quickly. $75k new and some are $45k roughly a year later. Now that's a performance bargain. They should be very reliable too as they are amazingly over-engineered for track days.

 

That's likely to be a fantastic car. And probably incredibly reliable, too. A step up from the G37 in terms of luxury, for sure.

What year?