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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JLai
You're comparing a car that has less horsepower than my jetski to clutch wear on a 330 hp car? You're funny...

Either way, my point is that first gear is there for a reason. It still stands that starting in second every time will lead to premature clutch wear compared to doing it right and starting in first like you're supposed to.
i agree ,, 1st gear is there for a reason , make sense ,1st gear (1ST) , the 2nd gear (2ND) ,,, hehehhe ,,,
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JLai
You're comparing a car that has less horsepower than my jetski to clutch wear on a 330 hp car? You're funny...

Either way, my point is that first gear is there for a reason. It still stands that starting in second every time will lead to premature clutch wear compared to doing it right and starting in first like you're supposed to.
Well I'll just have to respectfully disagree with your opinion on the subject. Some might argue "that's what synchros are for" to your "only start in first gear contention". I can't understand logic that 200K+ on an original clutch (the 180 HP engine notwithstanding) is not astounding and that it's not proof that only starting in 1st gear is completely unnecessary on a modern manual transmission. Do what you feel will best take care of your car by all means, but I've started in 2nd innumerable times in several cars, and I have NEVER replaced a clutch in any car due to wear, premature or otherwise. I also often skip gears when accelerating and sometimes don't engage the clutch at all while shifting except when starting from a stop.

BTW, you must have an awesome jet ski! Does it have a 24KAE engine in it?
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JLai
If starting in first every time is going to make you cause accidents, then perhaps manual is not for you.

You obviously have not experienced drivers very often! LOL I have seen numerous clowns driving manuals that shouldn't be on the road yet. I can't tell you how many times I have been stuck behind someone trying to engage their clutch while on a hill! LOL
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Betty
BTW, you must have an awesome jet ski! Does it have a 24KAE engine in it?
92' Stanza has 138hp from what I google'd --> http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...n-stanza-6.htm

My JetSki has 150hp -->
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JLai
92' Stanza has 138hp from what I google'd --> http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...n-stanza-6.htm

My JetSki has 150hp -->
Yes, a stock '92 Stanza does. You do realize we're talking about the Gray Ghost though, don't you?

Cool jet ski. Now clean out your garage!
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Betty
Cool jet ski. Now clean out your garage!
It was crazy dirty...old pic though. Better now, but not by much.

Anyways, back on topic...
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Old Jan 27, 2008 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JLai
92' Stanza has 138hp from what I google'd --> http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...n-stanza-6.htm

My JetSki has 150hp -->
HP does not start you from a dead stop....torque does! I doubt your jet ski has the same torque, but who knows....i've never checked one out!
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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dillyyo
I doubt your jet ski has the same torque, but who knows....i've never checked one out!
Not to burst your bubble, but it has 904 lbs of thrust. It could probably take the G off the line. Only tops out a little over 60 mph though. Sorry for the thread jacking again...back to the topic at hand.

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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JLai
Not to burst your bubble, but it has 904 lbs of thrust. It could probably take the G off the line. Only tops out a little over 60 mph though. Sorry for the thread jacking again...back to the topic at hand.
Sorry, but my bubble is intact!! Thrust is not torque and when your dealing with such a low coefficient of friction, such as with a jet ski on water, it does nothing to correlate it's potential at converting thrust energy to torque. Nor to it's relationship to HP! Good try though!
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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dillyyo
Sorry, but my bubble is intact!! Thrust is not torque and when your dealing with such a low coefficient of friction, such as with a jet ski on water, it does nothing to correlate it's potential at converting thrust energy to torque. Nor to it's relationship to HP! Good try though!
Nice trick question.
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Old Jan 28, 2008 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JLai
Nice trick question.
Didn't see a question in my response, but hey!
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Old Jan 29, 2008 | 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dillyyo
I doubt your jet ski has the same torque, but who knows....
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when your dealing with such a low coefficient of friction...it does nothing to correlate it's potential at converting thrust energy to torque.
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Didn't see a question in my response, but hey!
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you were asking about torque...I replied with thrust...then you state when dealing with things with low friction coefficient like water, you can't correlate it to torque. Jetskis are measured by thrust. So in essence, you stated torque on a jetski when it isn't measured as such nor can it be correlated.
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Old Jan 29, 2008 | 01:48 AM
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The 1-2 shift in the G is a bit jerkier than any other MT car I've ever driven but I attribute it mostly to my unfamiliarity with Nissan tranny/clutches......
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