EXACTLY!!!! Well said.

 

The only 2 differences are (1) the clearance where the OEM bar hits the fender vs. the designed recess, and (2) the difference in the size of the OEM arm and the SPC arm. He does not need the distance of the stock suspension and if he does for some strange reason then why doesn't he get a car and measure it? I am an engineer (electrical not mechanical ) and I would never design something based on someone's measurements that I did not verify. I feel some skirt blowing going on.

 

This is all correct, however, given the situation, I think he's looking for field assistance (us) to gather measurements for him (which happens to me a fair amount).

I believe that there are few G37's around him in CO that can go in for him to take measurements off of. At least, that's my presumption.

 

I too am an engineer (mechanical) and hes asking for "field" data. I've worked as a design engineer and can tell you that "field" data is often used for redesigns. Since we are end users, hes asking for this to compare to what he originally designed from (which was probably a ProE drawing). He asked me specifically, but Im leaving for Miami tomorrow and dont have the time to change back to stock and measure. I guess he was assuming I could read a tape measurer since I have an engineering degree. Beings your an engineer, you know engineers dont always get it right the first time. Field data is EXTREMELY useful in determing a problem. He designed around certain specs, what good is it if he uses the same specs again? I'm just trying to feed him the data to help fix the problem and not question what hes doing, after all he is the lead designer!!!

 

Given that the pivot points for the arm are not changing....and neither is the shape of the fender.....I just fail to see what a measurement from stock to the fender recess is going to tell you more than using the measurements regarding what was lost in suspension travel. BUT I am not arguing against providing the measurements especially if that gets new bars quicker. But for some reason I just feel that this is going to go on for months and months and months.....and if that is the case then I am glad they are going to provide bumpstops (per previous posts) to minimize the damage until new bars are available.

 

OK.. I see what your talking about. I'm not sure if you know how a design engineer works, but I'll give a quick overview. Contrary to popular belief, engineers dont have access to every car or component they design and design for. What they do is recieve a CAD drawing of the part or parts. This is an enginering blueprint and may represent different measurements than what the end use has after some age. Example... His drawing is from Infiniti factory and gives the specs in a static drawing environment. After a suspension has 1000 miles or so, things find a home and "settle". This original drawing doesnt compensate for naturally orrucing aspects of the car such as springs and shocks settlingj and bushings becoming worn. Now you see there may be differences in what his drawing shows, and what we actually have in the way of clearance.

I very seriously doubt SPC is going to sit on this, as they are a very large and reputable company. Its not company policy to sit on a problem while end users are unhappy. When talking to the designer he stresses the urgency to addresss and redesign (if necessary) asap.

Hang tight... This will be resolved pretty quick so dont throw in the towel.

 

Dear engineer geeks,

This is why the rest of us talk bout you guys the way we do. Stop analyzing and debating the merits of the f-ing measurements and just measure what the f-ing man asked you to f-ing measure already. Damn! We all know you are both smart and analytical. Are you smart enough to take the requested measurement and send an email?

 

HAHAHA, hey! I resemble that remark!

 

Dear grounding geek,

I sent my pictures and measurements in yesterday. Some other geek can do the new measurement request. Now that I have been schooled in how a design engineer works....I've moved on with my new found education.

 

ROFL! Touche'!

FWIW, I was an engineering major at one point but lacked the requisite egg-headedness and over analytical thinking of every piece of inconsequential minutae in my environment. I have been compared to you types on many occasions by coworkers and by my wife. I never know whether to be insulted or flattered.

I do know hat with guys like you on the case, it WILL get solved. Once you confer and discuss the merits of HOW to solve it for a few months.

 

LOL.. You got it man.. I asked for measurements and I was bombarded with who, what, when, where, whys!! Your screaming what Im screaming. Lets not sit here and bump gums and debate it, but get the **** measured instead.

 

Damn, just paid Andy for the front & rear SPC camber arms, but it looks like it'll be smarter for me to just keep the rear camber kit and get a refund on the front, since it hasn't even been shipped yet. Andy, what do you say?

 

luckily by the time eibach gets the springs to andy, the fronts will be resolved

 

I sure hope so, but if Andy gets the springs today or tomorrow, I doubt spc would have a fix for the front camber kit this quick. They'd probably need a bit more R & D before issuing a permanent fix. Trust me dude, the last thing we'd want is a bandage solution for something that you're paying for

 

Morning update, everyone.

I spoke with Jeff@SPC this morning regarding the camber kits. Thanks to G_Thang, Jeff will be sending me a set of G35 front camber arms as they are physically a tad shorter from the pivot point out to the ball joint than the G37.

He explained that the reason the G37 parts he designed are extended is to provide further positive camber adjustment. I gave him feedback regarding this to the affect of, if one were to need that much positive adjustability, the tire would be physically touching the plastic of the fenderwell.

I'll provide any more info as I'm fed it.