You need to drive a Veloster N...Test drive one and I bet it'll change your perception. It's hard to look at Kia and Hyundai in a different light than what you're used to; but your stance on them is based off of what they were putting out a decade ago. They've come a long way since then. People said the same thing about Lexus when they entered the scene...The Genesis brand is by far one of the best products you could consider for the money.

On that note, I've heard the Stinger being referred to as the reincarnation of the G37 in terms of its all around nature. It's performance in the segment is second to none and Kia/Hyundai have a solid reliability rating they're far from tarted up trash..

 

Thanks for the kind words guys! I would glady review the Guilia Quadrifoglio and maybe I will since they are sold right across the street from me. I guess I basically checked that car off my list because of the horrible reliability.

I thought the same thing about the G70 because I really did not like the front end, wheels, etc. This is why I was so surprised by the car. I noticed a used Q50 Red Sport across the street and tried that out this morning to compare. Don't worry, I will post up a review on that too because I was surprised by the results there as well.

Your comment about racing a Hyundai was comical to me because I was thinking the same thing, but when I was looking at Lightning Lap times for another car I stumbled across the G70 running a 3:07- slightly faster than the super focused Veloster N and nearly as fast as a supercharged NSX. The G70 was even extremely close to the Audi RS3 and Subaru STI Type RA which are very dialed in track cars. Ironically, I got the last issue of Car & Driver with this year's Lightning Lap times, read through the entire article, and don't remember reading anything about the Genesis G70 which was tested this year and ran the 3:07. For comparison a G37 coupe was over 10 seconds slower than the G70?!? I guess Hyundai acquiring Albert Biermann from BMW M is starting to payoff. I really noticed it in the handling of the G70.

I was not as impressed by the Veloster N as the Genesis G70. Maybe it was the cheap seats and interior of the Veloster N or maybe it was the cartoon-like crackling of the exhaust that every 16 year old will love, but it was just not the car for me. Road and Track just picked it as their Performance Car of the Year though, so Hyundai is doing something right.

I think the G70 is a better replacement for the G37 than the Stinger and that is what the reviews seem to show as well. The G70 is a little shorter and lighter- ie a bit more tossable handling if that makes sense.

 

YES!!!

I would love to read the OP's review of the Giulia. That probably doesn't mean the Quadrifoglio. I mean, that's kind of a halo car. But that would be extremely cool to get seat time in a (fully functional) Quadrifoglio.

The 2.0T is no slouch, though.

 

Yup, 6MT, Brembo brakes....I'd like some more power, but that's easy enough to solve https://burgertuning.com/products/kia-stinger-jb4

 

For under $30k, brand new, the Veloster N is a heck of a bargain. Reminds me of the 1st Gen Mazda 3 and how much car you got for the price. Savage Geese did a review and apparently, the G70 got a better suspension set-up than its Stinger counterpart. Double wish Bone vs. stamped steel pieces I believe. That said, his review mentioned the readiness in the TCU programming of the Stinger vs the G70. It felt much more willing to get wild vs the more composed G70.

Crazy improvements considering they were pumping out Spectras and Tiburons a decade ago.

 

Well this certainly makes the G70 even more attractive, especially the reasonably priced 450whp kit: https://burgertuning.com/collections...enesis-package

If this thing depreciates like current Genesis cars, the G70 might just become the used performance sedan bargain of the decade in a few years.

 

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There are red and clay-grey stingers that regularly overlap my drive home. Both seem to be about as fast as the G37 on the street. Good locking car, should have been a Genesis halo car and not a Kia. Also Kia dealers are used to selling to folks that can only afford $100/month for 8 years for a new car, so they don't seem to know how to sell it.

I've seen one Veloster N in traffic but it was rush hour so no feel for it. A very good friend has a tarted up Veloster turbo and aside from the auto transmission its a fun little car - until very recently I could hear her car coming down the street further away than mine.

 

Taking a G70 to a track day and giving it repeated abuse over a number of laps you will quickly start seeing its shortcomings, similar to some of the issues you've found with the G37. So if you want to have fun and be competitive, start looking elsewhere. Not a 'racing' car by any means but probably a fine street car.

Whatever comparison you are trying to make above is not apples to apples. '10 seconds apart' loses its meaning when.....
- VIR was repaved / made wider sometime in ~2014, it is now a faster and easier track to drive
- Has enough power to make a difference in the straights
- G70 runs a MPS4S tire.

Gotta love magazine racing!

 

Lexus absolutely hit it out of the park with the LS400 which spent a ridiculous amount of $ to build a quality vehicle. The brand did not have an identity crisis, it was known for its comfort and reliability right from the start.

 

Believe me, I know the G70 is not a track car. That's why I was so surprised that it ran faster at Lightning Lap than the Veloster N, almost as fast as the supercharged NSX, and very close to the RS3 and Type RA- all on the exact same track. I see you conveniently skipped mentioning those cars.

 

In other news the next generation Nissan Z sounds promising with retro styling like the 240Z in front, rear tail lights like the 300Z, updated interior, 3.0 twin turbo engine from Q50/Q60, and a possible 500hp Nismo version. (I'm not quite sure how you tie that styling together though.) Initially with an A/T, but probably still available with a stick shift. Too bad it will be 1-2 years before we see it in the flesh. https://www.motor1.com/news/393342/n...itial-details/

 

I didn't miss any of those cars just not worth my time to get into detail, at the end of the day they were faster than the G70 and not really in the same class. There's nothing surprising about the results, it's a well balanced RWD car with a good amount of power on a good tire. If it didn't perform as well as it did, that would be surprising. If you think it's a better car than a 30 year old NSX, by all means buy it and don't look back.

There is no reason for me to drive the car because it is not something I want to own. Sorry but an automatic, v6tt is nothing outside of the norm today and it doesn't check all the boxes I am looking for in a car. There is nothing revolutionary about the car. The fact that it's a brand I don't consider when evaluating cars is just the cherry on top.

 

I just hope Nissan doesn't cut any corners with this one. Now that Ghosn is out the door, I wonder if the culture is going to change.

 

It certainly seems like a lot of change is happening at Nissan as far as styling and product goes. The new Altima and Sentra look better than they have in a long time. They finally look sporty again. As a company they seem to be moving away from rental fleet sales and unobtainable sales goals that oversaturated the market and hurt the value of the brand. The focus really seems to be on improving the product. This year we will see the new Sentra, Titan, Frontier, Pathfinder, Armada, and maybe the Rogue (probably next year). The new Z car is still a long way off, but I really hope they get it right. The new Sentra and Altima are good signs that they are heading in the right direction.

 

4dz: Giulia has requested a date with you, She says she can change your mind and ease your worries about what others have been misleading you about her.




I think you should give her a chance lol