MT article - Q/G by the numbers..
08-07-2013, 12:54 PM
#61
It really doesn't matter who stole from who. I'm pretty sure every manufacturer has their concepts. And perhaps Mazda had that styling cue long before. We don't know everything. The fact remains, they look very similar. Does knowing who came first make you feel better or change the fact that they look alike?
08-07-2013, 12:58 PM
#62
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What I see a LOT of in this thread...
Two Responses:
1. We live in a free market. If you don't like it, buy something you will.
2. You're on a car enthusiast forum... If you don't like a facet of the new model, but like others there is NOTHING stopping you from customizing it to make it your own. Magnusson-Moss empowered all of us to do what we want with our cars without concern from the OEM. If you can't or won't, see Response #1.
From the get-go, the re-brand of Infiniti has been to appeal to a WIDER MARKET. I don't see how that could be confusing as they improve some areas they were lacking and leaving others relatively untouched.
I'm not sure what kind of windfall in performance improvements some of you were expecting out of a luxury sports sedan... Or where you got the impression that this is the target market to even expect changes of any significance?
We all have our gripes, our opinions... But does that mean the Q50 is a horrible vehicle that is going to sink the brand? Nope, hardly. If it's not your preference, arguing with everyone and trying to justify your opinion and force it on others isn't going to change anyone's minds.
They didn't make it how *I* want it... WAH!
1. We live in a free market. If you don't like it, buy something you will.
2. You're on a car enthusiast forum... If you don't like a facet of the new model, but like others there is NOTHING stopping you from customizing it to make it your own. Magnusson-Moss empowered all of us to do what we want with our cars without concern from the OEM. If you can't or won't, see Response #1.
From the get-go, the re-brand of Infiniti has been to appeal to a WIDER MARKET. I don't see how that could be confusing as they improve some areas they were lacking and leaving others relatively untouched.
I'm not sure what kind of windfall in performance improvements some of you were expecting out of a luxury sports sedan... Or where you got the impression that this is the target market to even expect changes of any significance?
We all have our gripes, our opinions... But does that mean the Q50 is a horrible vehicle that is going to sink the brand? Nope, hardly. If it's not your preference, arguing with everyone and trying to justify your opinion and force it on others isn't going to change anyone's minds.
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08-07-2013, 01:48 PM
#64
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It really doesn't matter who stole from who. I'm pretty sure every manufacturer has their concepts. And perhaps Mazda had that styling cue long before. We don't know everything. The fact remains, they look very similar. Does knowing who came first make you feel better or change the fact that they look alike?
08-07-2013, 01:59 PM
#65
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That said, at least all of the car vendors recognize this... unlike Apple, who would be suing everyone for having a round steering wheel!
08-07-2013, 02:23 PM
#66
Are how are you so sure of this? Do you know for a fact that Hyundai or Mazda didn't come up with this design cue before Infiniti? The fact is, we don't know what designers are doing behind the scenes for any manufacturers. Simply arguing that Infiniti did it first without concrete proof because you feel the need to justify your fondness for the brand is silly. I'm not stating who stole from who. But I will agree that one looks like the other. My point is, even if you dug deep into the research and design timeline for each manufactures and is able to prove out who stole from who, it doesn't change the fact that they still look alike. And it doesn't change the fact that for the general population not on the forum, both the Sonata and Mazda6 are great contenders for most. But whatever makes you sleep better.
08-07-2013, 02:32 PM
#68
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Are how are you so sure of this? Do you know for a fact that Hyundai or Mazda didn't come up with this design cue before Infiniti? The fact is, we don't know what designers are doing behind the scenes for any manufacturers. Simply arguing that Infiniti did it first without concrete proof because you feel the need to justify your fondness for the brand is silly. I'm not stating who stole from who. But I will agree that one looks like the other. My point is, even if you dug deep into the research and design timeline for each manufactures and is able to prove out who stole from who, it doesn't change the fact that they still look alike. And it doesn't change the fact that for the general population not on the forum, both the Sonata and Mazda6 are great contenders for most. But whatever makes you sleep better.
You are right on one thing...from a distance of 10 miles, the Korean and Japanese manufactures look similar. But when one gets closer:
- tire check
- tail light check
- bumper check
Yep they look alike.
As you said, and I echo the sentiment, whatever makes you sleep better.
08-07-2013, 04:49 PM
#70
Decided to do a few quick photo comparisons of the Q50 vs Mazda6
Just as a bonus the Hyundai Sonata
Sonata Tails overlaid almost exactly
Now the front ends of the Q50 and Mazda6
Headlight shapes are very close
Lastly, the concepts these cars were based on the Infiniti essence and the Mazda Shinari
IMHO Infiniti would of had undeniable hit appearance wise if the next gen Q line (Q60 coupe /Q50 sedan) looked much closer to the aforementioned concepts.
Just as a bonus the Hyundai Sonata
Sonata Tails overlaid almost exactly
Now the front ends of the Q50 and Mazda6
Headlight shapes are very close
Lastly, the concepts these cars were based on the Infiniti essence and the Mazda Shinari
IMHO Infiniti would of had undeniable hit appearance wise if the next gen Q line (Q60 coupe /Q50 sedan) looked much closer to the aforementioned concepts.
08-07-2013, 05:06 PM
#71
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That was very cool! Well done with photoshop, willvega. Looking at the car in this context, the Mazda has the far better looking front end and hood design (IMO), while the Sonata has the edge on tail end. The Infiniti's edge? That would be engine and luxury.
Just checked, and apparently my local dealership has some Q50's in stock. Time to go take a look.
Just checked, and apparently my local dealership has some Q50's in stock. Time to go take a look.
08-07-2013, 05:10 PM
#72
Hahha, holy ****.
Infiniti definitely lost me as a customer in the future. Granted I am not an asian housewife or whoever they're targeting this time around, they probably don't need my business. I wish them financial success, but the only ones that speak to me today are German car manufacturers. They're offering turbo4s and manual transmissions for their "sport sedans".
Lexus is doing it better with their unique styling and LFA inspired cockpits, but they also offer the same outdated drivetrains as Infiniti. Not to mention performance wise, a NismoZ or G37S costs about $46k, which is in the same territory as a twin turbo 335i or S4 both of which utilize seriously underrated engines capable of a lot more torque and easily 400hp on stock internals, or anything 'Murican that offer 420-450hp v8s for $30-36 grand.
Infiniti definitely lost me as a customer in the future. Granted I am not an asian housewife or whoever they're targeting this time around, they probably don't need my business. I wish them financial success, but the only ones that speak to me today are German car manufacturers. They're offering turbo4s and manual transmissions for their "sport sedans".
Lexus is doing it better with their unique styling and LFA inspired cockpits, but they also offer the same outdated drivetrains as Infiniti. Not to mention performance wise, a NismoZ or G37S costs about $46k, which is in the same territory as a twin turbo 335i or S4 both of which utilize seriously underrated engines capable of a lot more torque and easily 400hp on stock internals, or anything 'Murican that offer 420-450hp v8s for $30-36 grand.
denial at it's best.
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08-07-2013, 10:40 PM
#75
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2014 G37 Bargain...
Did they eliminate the sports pkg?? It states the only options are Premium and Nav packages....