Review Dyno Runs- Maps from Motion Lab
08-28-2014, 02:33 PM
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Dyno Runs @ Dynotechtuning- Maps from Motion Lab
Just made an APT to have some runs done on Saturday @ 9am, The Shop CT.
Going to make 6 runs 3 runs on my REV2 and 3 Runs on my REV3 maps from Motion Lab. Still not on my end tune but close.
Any guesses what I'll make ?
Going to make 6 runs 3 runs on my REV2 and 3 Runs on my REV3 maps from Motion Lab. Still not on my end tune but close.
Any guesses what I'll make ?
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08-28-2014, 03:44 PM
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No idea? Fuel? Timing? Temp? Dyno? Auto/Manual? Internals? I hate this word but any other "mods" from above listed? Is there a prize 
? Is the tuner going to run the car in 5th @ 1:1 ratio for a proper pull??? Or is he going to cheat it and save time running on the dyno in 4th(WRONG)?? That's a big one...but assuming its a 7spd auto, and do you have big heavy boat anchor "bling bling" wheels??
277.4 whp / 225.5 ft lb with stock wheel/tire setup
If N/A making 351.73 hp & 285 ft lb @ the crank with a 21% powertrain loss and im being forgiving even if it was a rwd but yours is a X right. So on a truthful pull close to sea level, and half decent ambient air conditions, that's my actual guess.
? Is the tuner going to run the car in 5th @ 1:1 ratio for a proper pull??? Or is he going to cheat it and save time running on the dyno in 4th(WRONG)?? That's a big one...but assuming its a 7spd auto, and do you have big heavy boat anchor "bling bling" wheels??277.4 whp / 225.5 ft lb with stock wheel/tire setup
If N/A making 351.73 hp & 285 ft lb @ the crank with a 21% powertrain loss and im being forgiving even if it was a rwd but yours is a X right. So on a truthful pull close to sea level, and half decent ambient air conditions, that's my actual guess.
08-28-2014, 03:56 PM
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If I make only 277 Im setting the car on fire, LOL
Sorry would have thought you'd look at my sid,
Motordyne Intake manifold ,Z1 tubes KN's, Exoticspeed cat back( 2.5 true dual X pipe) Z1 HFC's. UPREV tune on the car now REV 2, From Motion Lab, and AWD sedan, 7SPD auto
So 4th is the (CORRECT) gear not 5th.
I will actual make the same WHP and a RWD car, the AWD is only active if the rears are slipping, My lines will be squiggly is little cause the car will fight the dyno a little.
And if cheats and saves time is using 4th and not 5th. Then NO one has done their car right. I everyone I've seen or read has been in 4th.
Sorry would have thought you'd look at my sid,
Motordyne Intake manifold ,Z1 tubes KN's, Exoticspeed cat back( 2.5 true dual X pipe) Z1 HFC's. UPREV tune on the car now REV 2, From Motion Lab, and AWD sedan, 7SPD auto
So 4th is the (CORRECT) gear not 5th.
I will actual make the same WHP and a RWD car, the AWD is only active if the rears are slipping, My lines will be squiggly is little cause the car will fight the dyno a little.
And if cheats and saves time is using 4th and not 5th. Then NO one has done their car right. I everyone I've seen or read has been in 4th.
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08-28-2014, 04:14 PM
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If I make only 277 Im setting the car on fire, LOL
Sorry would have thought you'd look at my sid,
Motordyne Intake manifold ,Z1 tubes KN's, Exoticspeed cat back( 2.5 true dual X pipe) Z1 HFC's. UPREV tune on the car now REV 2, From Motion Lab, and AWD sedan, 7SPD auto
So 4th is the (CORRECT) gear not 5th.
I will actual make the same WHP and a RWD car, the AWD is only active if the rears are slipping, My lines will be squiggly is little cause the car will fight the dyno a little.
Sorry would have thought you'd look at my sid,
Motordyne Intake manifold ,Z1 tubes KN's, Exoticspeed cat back( 2.5 true dual X pipe) Z1 HFC's. UPREV tune on the car now REV 2, From Motion Lab, and AWD sedan, 7SPD auto
So 4th is the (CORRECT) gear not 5th.
I will actual make the same WHP and a RWD car, the AWD is only active if the rears are slipping, My lines will be squiggly is little cause the car will fight the dyno a little.
The ratio in 4th is 1.411:1 (WRONG)?? I think not
The ratio in 5th is 1:1 (rite) I think so.
I also think he will save enough time, 6 pulls with your car to, shorten the time on the dyno by at least 2 pulls. And with the a dyno to measure 1:1, 4th will show you about (this is just a figure quickly done in my head) .9214 so a (9.214%) error which shows as a gain of. Do the math, numbers don't lie, just minus that from the powertrain percentage loss.
Those numbers are ok, so don't take offence. It just much more closer to actual, that's all.
08-28-2014, 04:54 PM
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Again so I guess no one here or the Z forum on any where had ever done it right no one runs the car in 5th.
Number and Drive train ok so lets say I lose 20% drivetrain loss( Auto) not full time AWD,
I had a Stillen SC advertised power was 515HP Crank, I made 412 WHP in 4th ? 20% is 103 HP loss 515-103= 412 WHP ? And debate the your gear in another thread please I didn't aske what gear I should be in.
An just so "you" know also I'm making some 3rd gear pulls also, and using two separate maps. I'm using this for data logging for my tuner also.
Number and Drive train ok so lets say I lose 20% drivetrain loss( Auto) not full time AWD,
I had a Stillen SC advertised power was 515HP Crank, I made 412 WHP in 4th ? 20% is 103 HP loss 515-103= 412 WHP ? And debate the your gear in another thread please I didn't aske what gear I should be in.
An just so "you" know also I'm making some 3rd gear pulls also, and using two separate maps. I'm using this for data logging for my tuner also.
08-28-2014, 05:48 PM
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Sorry dude im out to lunch, and wouldn't you have a better more accurate log and data over a longer band to tweak under, a more presentable load? I can see more possible advantages for timing, knock, cam phasing, A/F. Or are you limited too only log like 5 seconds of data. But that would mean more time and work and longer dyno run, just give me money, wow look at the digits!~
Im not the one paying by the hr. on the dyno that's you, or are you paying by the pull?? Im now suspecting.
Either way I don't know anything, that was just a crazy guess and im not going to bother explaining how I reached the conclusion. I am sorry if you took offence to my guess, but try doing it (all) in 5th and see. If the shop is cool and the dudes are super awesome car nerds, your tables will be much better across board. When everthing is 1:1 you have a better representation, its just more time consuming on a car that's not 750hp and struggling to hit its redline at 1:1, or as interesting to watch, or critical to squeak out the little extra, they got your money and you got some numbers...Meh Ive started to explain. But really I would love it if we all had 500hp going to the ground, that's the truth!!
Im not the one paying by the hr. on the dyno that's you, or are you paying by the pull?? Im now suspecting.
Either way I don't know anything, that was just a crazy guess and im not going to bother explaining how I reached the conclusion. I am sorry if you took offence to my guess, but try doing it (all) in 5th and see. If the shop is cool and the dudes are super awesome car nerds, your tables will be much better across board. When everthing is 1:1 you have a better representation, its just more time consuming on a car that's not 750hp and struggling to hit its redline at 1:1, or as interesting to watch, or critical to squeak out the little extra, they got your money and you got some numbers...Meh Ive started to explain. But really I would love it if we all had 500hp going to the ground, that's the truth!!
08-30-2014, 10:44 AM
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Let us know the results!
Also, not that anyone cares but when I went to the dyno (dynojet) I was told that it autocorrects numbers the power numbers. I was a little apprehensive on that so I had the tuner do pulls in both 4th and 5th (6 speed car) and both turned back the same numbers.
Also, not that anyone cares but when I went to the dyno (dynojet) I was told that it autocorrects numbers the power numbers. I was a little apprehensive on that so I had the tuner do pulls in both 4th and 5th (6 speed car) and both turned back the same numbers.
08-30-2014, 01:50 PM
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Would up going to dynotechtuning in MA should have went to the Shop
Ok 2 runs each map , I'll give the short over view.
Dyno READS LOW! Tuner made me nevous ( don't know what a Ford Focus ST) was asked if it was like a Honda ? Then after the 2nd pull my :/ AWD light was flashing at the top of each run( last run I cut short as I was in the car logging ) and not sure he would have envn said anything as afte I told him it was flashing he seems surprised ? Um aren't you supposed to watch those things ?
So final numbers were 260 WHP and 240 WHTRQ ( ok he said they dyno reass 15% lower than anyone else as he doesn't use the numbers for tuning there just numbers he said . )
So I don't know what to say I got done what I needed done my logs but seriously one pull was cut short by me @6500 cause the light stared blinking again and the numbers are BS .
I don't want to see inflated numbers but at lesser show the real ones.
He has never touched a G or Z car and could tell that for sure she. He was tryin to make te first pull in DS MODE :/ . Will never visit this place again !! I mean seriously a STOCK G will make more than that ?
The numbers would work out @15% to be 299 WHP 276 TQ numbers are would be to high. I'll post the sheets after I finish washing the cars
Ok 2 runs each map , I'll give the short over view.
Dyno READS LOW! Tuner made me nevous ( don't know what a Ford Focus ST) was asked if it was like a Honda ? Then after the 2nd pull my :/ AWD light was flashing at the top of each run( last run I cut short as I was in the car logging ) and not sure he would have envn said anything as afte I told him it was flashing he seems surprised ? Um aren't you supposed to watch those things ?
So final numbers were 260 WHP and 240 WHTRQ ( ok he said they dyno reass 15% lower than anyone else as he doesn't use the numbers for tuning there just numbers he said . )
So I don't know what to say I got done what I needed done my logs but seriously one pull was cut short by me @6500 cause the light stared blinking again and the numbers are BS .
I don't want to see inflated numbers but at lesser show the real ones.
He has never touched a G or Z car and could tell that for sure she. He was tryin to make te first pull in DS MODE :/ . Will never visit this place again !! I mean seriously a STOCK G will make more than that ?
The numbers would work out @15% to be 299 WHP 276 TQ numbers are would be to high. I'll post the sheets after I finish washing the cars
Last edited by ANMVQ; 08-30-2014 at 03:01 PM.
08-30-2014, 05:50 PM
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Why not do a street tune with Osiris with several 0-60 runs to get everything together and then use a dyno to tweak perfection out? All this going to the dyno over and over is a waste. Seems like the only thing that should have been done here is a run to see how much power the motion lab tune netted and obviously $h!+ went down hill. Go back to Motion lab , if they're worth a crap 3 0-60 logs will put you in the ball park with fuel, timing and line pressure. Your 0-60 times should go down as measured by cipher. When it's righteous to you, find a tuner familiar with the program and platform and have them tweak it. ( Did you even have to pay these people at the Dyno?)
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