Does anyone have the Brembo 6 piston front calipers?

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Old Feb 2, 2019 | 11:11 AM
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Late to the party, but just wanted to add... the akebonos are aluminum, correct? You could get them actually anodized.

I think the akebonos, like most mass-production calipers, are cast and therefore the edges are not crisp. Compare to wilwoods or some brembos - those are machined, and much more crisp lines on the outside.
What does anodizing involve and what is the end result with brake calipers? Do you think it would help with discoloration from heat?
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Old Feb 2, 2019 | 11:22 AM
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Anodizing aluminum involves exploiting the surface aluminum oxide coating that bare aluminum forms, thickening it enough to make it protective. It's like hot rust blueing for steel firearms.

You can get stuff colored because you can trap dye particles in the anodize bath.

Quick Turn Anodizing - HardCoat Anodizing and Black Oxide (quick google)
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodiz...considerations

I've had aluminum firearm parts that were anodized and subjected to very very high heat (muzzle brakes, for instance) that had no discoloration. But they were anodized hardcoat black.

On our race calipers, we used exhaust paint from POR-15. It fades some over time, but never melted or otherwise had issues after it was cured. Some folks used Jet-Hot ceramic coating, but had to ream the piston bores after getting the calipers back from the company.
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Old Feb 2, 2019 | 11:27 AM
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Note that Yellow Speed Racing offers anodized finishes.

http://yellowspeedracingusa.com/coll...big-brake-kits

6-piston replacement calipers, too, it seems.

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Old Feb 2, 2019 | 11:33 AM
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Also - are you able to lock the brakes (with ABS off) while braking hard on track? If so, you have enough caliper. If you have not enough bite or fade over a track session, that is a compound issue. With heavy cars like ours I'd think Hawk DTC-50 would be better than any commonly available street-ish pads. That's assuming you're racing at improved-touring performance levels. If we're talking HPDEs, then somewhere between that and Blacks.

I've not tracked my G37, so YMMV. But with my track-only RX7s, we used Blues all around. That is with the bigger 4-piston Mazda calipers in front from the Turbo cars. With my daily driver RX8, I used HP+ and it was fine, but without cage, race seat and race harness I wasn't driving 10/10. My buddies in Miatae used Porterfields with good effect. All on stock calipers and good rotors like DBA. We used ATE super / superblue in rotation, Motul RBF, or Ford Heavy Duty DOT4, and some sort of stainless braided lines. My RX8 had commercially available lines, the RX7s we used AN hardware and hose.

Having said that, the bigger calipers are verrra sexy. But $1000 sexy? I'm not so sure.
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Old Feb 2, 2019 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarymike
Anodizing aluminum involves exploiting the surface aluminum oxide coating that bare aluminum forms, thickening it enough to make it protective. It's like hot rust blueing for steel firearms.

You can get stuff colored because you can trap dye particles in the anodize bath.

Quick Turn Anodizing - HardCoat Anodizing and Black Oxide (quick google)
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodiz...considerations

I've had aluminum firearm parts that were anodized and subjected to very very high heat (muzzle brakes, for instance) that had no discoloration. But they were anodized hardcoat black.

On our race calipers, we used exhaust paint from POR-15. It fades some over time, but never melted or otherwise had issues after it was cured. Some folks used Jet-Hot ceramic coating, but had to ream the piston bores after getting the calipers back from the company.
That sounds interesting. I wonder how much it costs to do that to brake calipers.

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Note that Yellow Speed Racing offers anodized finishes.

http://yellowspeedracingusa.com/coll...big-brake-kits

6-piston replacement calipers, too, it seems.

That is an interesting find. I wonder if they are decent quality. This is the 1st I have heard of this company. If the calipers fit our rotors, this would be a much cheaper upgrade than the Brembo 6 pot calipers- $620 for 6 pot calipers?!? https://yellowspeedracingusa.com/col...-6-pot-yscpf6a

Originally Posted by rotarymike
Also - are you able to lock the brakes (with ABS off) while braking hard on track? If so, you have enough caliper. If you have not enough bite or fade over a track session, that is a compound issue. With heavy cars like ours I'd think Hawk DTC-50 would be better than any commonly available street-ish pads. That's assuming you're racing at improved-touring performance levels. If we're talking HPDEs, then somewhere between that and Blacks.

I've not tracked my G37, so YMMV. But with my track-only RX7s, we used Blues all around. That is with the bigger 4-piston Mazda calipers in front from the Turbo cars. With my daily driver RX8, I used HP+ and it was fine, but without cage, race seat and race harness I wasn't driving 10/10. My buddies in Miatae used Porterfields with good effect. All on stock calipers and good rotors like DBA. We used ATE super / superblue in rotation, Motul RBF, or Ford Heavy Duty DOT4, and some sort of stainless braided lines. My RX8 had commercially available lines, the RX7s we used AN hardware and hose.

Having said that, the bigger calipers are verrra sexy. But $1000 sexy? I'm not so sure.
I was running DTC-60's on my car and I think it was about 2 years ago that the ABS sensors mounted on the rear differential melted and I flat spotted a front tire because my brakes locked up. Now I run Carbotech XP pads (I believe 10's and 11's) and I like them a lot better. The bite is a lot more progressive and the wear is much better on the pads and rotors. I also run brake ducts & Z1 2pc. rotors up front as well as Motul RBF600 fluid and Z1 stainless braided lines all around.
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Old Feb 2, 2019 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 4DRZ
That is an interesting find. I wonder if they are decent quality. This is the 1st I have heard of this company.
I thought that might get your attention.

First I'd heard of Yellow Speed Racing, too. Let us know what your research pans out. The forum here is all about Akebono, with occasional Brembo parts, and even Wilwood. But Yellow Speed Racing... that would be cool.

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Originally Posted by Rochester


I thought that might get your attention.

First I'd head of Yellow Speed Racing, too. Let us know what your research pans out. The forum here is all about Akebono, with occasional Brembo parts, and even Wilwood. But Yellow Speed Racing... that would be cool.
How did you stumble upon this company?
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I just called Yellow Speed Racing and the guy said they have been around since 2004 and their brakes are forged and on a lot of drift and rally cars. He said their calipers are designed just for their rotors and they have a 356x32 size which is damn close to our 355x32 front rotors. He did not recommend doing this with just calipers, but I would have to find the hub offset of their rotors to see if it would match up. He said the founder of the company would be back next week and he would know for sure. The crazy thing is that they offer basically the same sized rotors for front as rear so you could literally run 15" 6 piston calipers front and rear. That would be insane!
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Old Feb 2, 2019 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 4DRZ
How did you stumble upon this company?
Random google images searching for anodized calipers.

Designed solely for their rotors? That's an odd business decision. If they made a 6-pot specifically targeted as an upgrade for the Nissan/Akebono BBK, there's a two decade market of Z/G cars to sell to.

Good luck with your research, OP. Seems like there are possibilities here worth spending time on.

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Old Feb 2, 2019 | 05:52 PM
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Designed solely for their rotors? That's an odd business decision. If they made a 6-pot specifically targeted as an upgrade for the Nissan/Akebono BBK, there's a two decade market of Z/G cars to sell to.
That's exactly what I thought, but they probably realized they could make more money off of a full bbk compared to just calipers.
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Old Feb 2, 2019 | 07:50 PM
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A standard B2B practice is to lock you in to one brand forcing you use that brand for repairs and upgrades. Different brands offer similar but not same products so while it's less expensive to cherry pick across an industry, it's difficult as salespeople won't offer help if they know you're doing that. Yellow Speed Racing is following that practice.
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Also, I would be concerned about brake pad availability. Nothing like having the company that made your bespoke $3000 BBK and specific pads go out of business.
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Originally Posted by 4DRZ
I was running DTC-60's on my car and I think it was about 2 years ago that the ABS sensors mounted on the rear differential melted and I flat spotted a front tire because my brakes locked up. Now I run Carbotech XP pads (I believe 10's and 11's) and I like them a lot better. The bite is a lot more progressive and the wear is much better on the pads and rotors. I also run brake ducts & Z1 2pc. rotors up front as well as Motul RBF600 fluid and Z1 stainless braided lines all around.
That's pretty hardcore.

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Old Feb 3, 2019 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarymike
Also, I would be concerned about brake pad availability. Nothing like having the company that made your bespoke $3000 BBK and specific pads go out of business.
Carbotech is pretty cool about that. You can send them the shape of the pads and they will make them for you.

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That's pretty hardcore.
My middle name is "hardcore." No, it was nothing too crazy. I was just learning where the weak points were in the car for track days. The stock rear differential fluid and cover do not mesh well with track days. Since I have upgraded those parts, I have yet to have an issue.

At the time the melted ABS sensors caused the ABS light to come on so I figured I lost my ABS, but I was not sure as I had driven a few laps without locking the brakes by making sure that I was very smooth modulating the brakes. When I flat spotted the tire I had a friend in a GT-R finally catch me and I went a touch too deep into the corner. I heard the tire lock up and I actually thought it was him until I saw a puff of smoke and let up on the brakes instantly, but it was too late. Lesson learned.
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I spoke to Donald at Yellow Speed Racing about their calipers today. He also was not sure if their 6 piston calipers would fit our stock rotors. However 14" converted to mm is 355.6 and their rotors are 356mm. I bet they would work just fine if the hub spacing is the same. He said they are working on "compact" calipers to help with wheel clearance. He claims that their calipers are billet aluminum (instead of forged like I was told earlier). He also said all of their parts are made in Taiwan which I think is strange since they have USA all over their web page. Donald said once their corporate office opens on the 10th he will get some templates and more information for me so I can check fitment.

The fact that their answers seems to change and no one seems to know if their calipers work with stock rotors makes me a bit skeptical. The fact that I have never heard of this company before also makes me wonder. I am trying to keep an open mind, but they are not making it easy.
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