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Old Mar 31, 2012 | 11:25 AM
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NickL, what year/color RX-8 do you have? Any pics? I had an '04 GT TiGray. The car now goes to my nephew. Hopefully, he'll keep it in good shape for the next three years, after when he's done with pharmacy school. I'll then buy it back and mod the car. If he doesn't take good care of the car, I'll look for another one. Or Mazda may release a new RX (wishful thinking).

I love the power/torque on the G37 coupe, but nothing drives like an RX-8. Even Jeremy Clarkson has the RX-8 on his list of the ten best handling cars ever.

Btw, my car has been quite reliable despite being an '04.

I'm just surprised to see another RX-8 lover on here.
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Old Mar 31, 2012 | 08:07 PM
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Bassy, it's great and unexpected to see another rotary lover here. My RX-8 is a 2007 Grand Touring. I bought it used in 2008 from the original owner, it had 1300 miles on it. It's red, with the wonderful/garish/brothel/uniquely Japanese two-tone red & black interior (I specifically looked for that color combination), and the Appearance Package, Spoiler, and Accent Package. I absolutely love it.

I used to use it as a daily driver, it now has 15k miles on it. But, with the RX-8 now out of production and the wankel engine likely to never return again, I feel compelled to preserve it. So, it's now relegated to purely fun car status, and the G37 assumes daily driver duty (which is a fabulous daily driver).

I've been part of the rotary addiction for a long time, starting with a RX-4 I had in the early 1980's. I also had a wankel motorcycle back then, a Suzuki RE5. This is my second RX-8, previously I had a 2004, which was absolutely trouble-free (I had all the updates done to it, battery, starter motor, oil breather, ECM reflashes, etc.) I specifically wanted this color combo, and sought this one out, flew to Rochester NY to buy it and drove it 300 miles home.

I love my 2012 G37, it's my third G Coupe (previously 04 G35, 08 G37). But, truth be told, the RX-8 is a very special car. The RX-8 elicits strong responses from people, either positive or negative – you either “get it”, or you don’t.

It never ceases to amaze me that the most strident critics of the RX-8 (or probably any car) are those people who have never owned one, and probably have never even driven one (which naturally makes them supremely qualified to render expert opinions, particularly when they are solely their own personal subjective emotional reactions).

There are few absolute “rights” or “wrongs”, or “good” or “bad” when it comes to cars. It’s all about personal preferences, and what you like. Regardless of what one thinks about the RX-8, it is absolutely unique, and it is very sad to see it go. For my personal tastes, the RX-8 is simply one of the most fun cars I have ever driven.

The RX8 is definitely not for everyone. It is truly a purists car, a car for the non-conformist and hard-core enthusiast (I always thought it a little ironic that they tried to make it “practical” with “4” sort-of doors and a useable back seat, but then, that’s also what let me use it as a daily driver). In many ways it is more fun to drive than a Boxster S or 911 I previously owned (and at a fraction of the price). The RX8 is the ultimate tossable and flingable car. Its purpose is not to be a drag racer or muscle car. Its all about balance, refinement, precise handling, agility, and the feel of the car.

Yes, it doesn’t have much torque. So what? Neither do Formula 1 race cars. Some people get their thrills from stop light drag races, and just mashing the gas pedal to the floor in a straight line. There are many cars for them. For those that have never driven a RX-8, the first time you feel the unbelievable smoothness of a rotary engine winding out to 9000 rpm, sounding like a jet turbine spooling up for takeoff, it’s like cocaine. The engine revs and zings like a motorcycle, it’s absolutely addictive. The chills it sends down your spine make you want to bump up against the rev limiter with every shift. The car is so light, has such great balance and such a low polar moment of inertia, it feels like it pivots instinctively around turns. Other than the S2000 (which I also own), this car is the next closest thing to a 4-wheeled motorcycle I have ever driven.

No car is “perfect” and does everything well. Everything in life is a compromise of one form or another. The RX-8 trades torque and gas mileage for what it does offer. People talk about a sports car “fitting like a glove” and becoming an extension of the driver. To me, that’s exactly what the RX-8 is all about. It’s such a fun combination of a smooth, free-revving engine with a tossable, neutral chassis. With many performance cars you really need to push them at >8/10′s or at supra-legal speeds to get the feel of their handling capabilities. In the RX-8 I have a blast taking turns at legal speeds (or twice the posted limits for that matter, it handles the twisties just as well). The car changes direction so easily, so naturally, and the engine revs so willingly. The engine and chassis really fit well together. The RX-8 just would not be the same car with a piston engine. On top of cramming all this pleasure into a uniquely fun car, they also made it comfortable enough and with a sufficiently compliant ride that you can drive it every day or take it on 600 mile trips and arrive feeling refreshed, or take 3 people and luggage in the car with me. While the styling might not be “classically beautiful”, it is certainly unique and stands out with its own Japanese anime distinctiveness in a world of increasing blandness and conformity.

Mazda itself uses the term “jinba ittai” in describing its philosophy behind the Miata. The direct translation of the Japanese idiom is “rider and horse as one.” Ironically, I think it actually applies so much better to the RX-8. The Miata is a lot of fun to drive as well (I’ve also owned 2 of them over the years). But I think the RX-8 is even so much more fun to drive than the Miata because of its rev-happy, turbine-like rotary engine and overall higher levels of performance – it truly seems to capture the jinba ittai spirit.

If someone cares about “statistics” (0 to 60, 1/4 mile times, etc.), the RX-8 is not the car for them. But, if you care about how a car feels, about having it directly hard-wired into your central nervous system, about being an extension of the car and part of the road, then you “get it”.

Mazda should get a medal for sticking with the rotary for as long as they have. In the end, I personally am not surprised that it didn’t make it, emissions notwithstanding. There are far more American buyers who want a grunting torque spewing muscle monster than an refined agile eclectic sports car. It was always a niche market at best, which was sustainable in good economic times, but not in recessions. The RX-8 is a bargain for the fun drive it offers – Lotus offers similar tossability but at a much higher price, and the only comparable car (in “feel”) in its price range was the S2000, which is also R.I.P. In short, the RX8 is an exotic, but for a working person’s budget.

To me, the RX-8 and S2000 are a blast, plain and simple. Which is why I have one of each, and will keep driving them until they pry my cold, dead, lifeless fingers from their quick-ratio steering wheels and precise short-throw shifters. I've owned 103 cars in my 37 years of driving (never more than 4 at a time), and hope to go through a few more before the game ends, but, I will never sell my RX-8.

So many cars in the world, so little money and driveway space, but there's room for many different ways to have fun driving.
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Old Apr 1, 2012 | 06:31 PM
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I agree with Nick...Did this mod, or had it done should I say about 2 years ago...Seat is MINT, and not floppy, and fits great.

The toolboxes saying anyone wanting this done must me fat are just comical...it has nothing to do with size and everything to do with not wanting steel bars wrapped in plastic sticking into my legs and A$$ and smashing my ***** togethger (to be blunt) every time I turn, pivot, and exit the car....

Can't belive they still make the seats w/them in...
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Old Apr 2, 2012 | 08:28 PM
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Nice car, NickL! I love the VR color on the RX-8. Your interior looks exactly like mine also!

Here are a few pics of mine:
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Old Mar 30, 2013 | 04:42 AM
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Thumbs up Suffered for over a year with a new 2012 GX Sedan...can't wait to get this done!

I picked up a new 2012 GX Sport Sedan a year ago after driving a friends 2010 a few times on relatively short trips. I love this car, but the first time I took it for a drive of over 3 hours, my right leg became completely numb and I ended up with severe lower back spasm, something that has never happened to me before. (I'm 5'11" and 180 pounds, fairly muscular and work out 3 or 4 days a week -- 46" chest, 33" waist and 33" inseam. This issue has nothing to do with body weight, but everything to do with bad design relative accommodating different body shapes and sizes.)

This problem with the driver's seat is definitely "real" for me and I'm guessing that the rigidity of the seat side bolster combined with the fact that I have relatively longer legs and a shorter torso than most folks along with the ubiquitous and annoying slightly "off-center" positioning of the driver's seat relative to the steering wheel and the far to the right positioning and angle of the gas pedal relative to the "hump" that the center part of the dash and console sit on means that one has to sit in the driver's seat slightly "twisted" or turned toward the right from the waist up with your right leg in a weird position to accommodate the strange angle of the gas pedal and the hump.

I've spent hours trying to find a solution for this and had almost made plans to dump the car after trying to obtain attention from the dealership about what might be a possible fix. I'd focused mostly on attempting to find out about either getting the driver's seat modified to make it go further back by 1.5 to 2 inches and/or trying to find out if the gas peddle could be modified or made "adjustable" as is the case with some cars over the past decade. I'd not found much of anything on either of these possible remedies and earlier in the day yesterday while taking a break from work, I came across this site and Goadee's fix. Thanks man!

I did try a an extra seat cushion and a gel seat pad, but it only made things worse because the seat is already too high to begin with since I need to raise the back of the seat bottom up just enough to be able to tilt the front of the seat downward enough just to keep my from making my legs completely numb right away. The seat pad and cushion "fixes" not only didn't help, they made the problem worse.

Over the years, I've driven lots of different cars, both larger and much smaller and I've never had a problem like this one before. Two cars that I've driven in my lifetime that had the most comfortable seats for long distance driving that were highly supportive and fully adjustable were a Mercedes sedan and a Pontiac Grand Prix from the late '70's that had Lear Siegler seats. I had no problems driving either of these cars for hours.

If any one else has any other remedies, please let me know! Hoping to find a shop to get the metal brackets removed ASAP and, if necessary, may be driving to PA.

BTW: the reason I'm writing this post now is because I just got back from a four hour drive to retrieve some folks from the the Boston Airport. My right leg and back should stop hurting in about another hour then I can finally get some sleep!









Originally Posted by Nick-L
After a haitus from the G37, I'm back (had a 2008, loved it, sold it after 3 years and 30,000 miles to buy a Mazda RX-8, but now just bought another, a 2012 G37 Sport 6 MT, and am keeping the RX-8 along with it).

For anyone concerned about the long term effects of the seat mod, I can tell you that after 3 years and 30,000 miles, the seats in my 2008 looked and felt exactly like they did on the day I had the mod done - no sagging of the side bolsters, air bladders fully functional, no problems at all.

The very first thing I had done last week when I picked up my 2012 was take it back to the same shop (Accurate Auto Upholstery, Edgemont, PA) to have the same mod done again. They said they've done the same mod on several G37's. The braces are cut out, no grinding seems to be involved except a little to grind smooth the stumps of the braces on the seat frame. They take the seat out to make it easier, you might be able to do it with the seat in the car, but the cover has to come off which seems like it would take more time than just pulling the seat out of the car. It took them about an hour total time.

It also seems the passenger seat is identical to the driver's seat, except for the steel braces. It looks like all Infiniti did to creeate the driver's side 'sport' seat is fit the braces to make the thigh bolsters stiffer. If there aren't any long term problems with the passenger seats, the driver's seat without the braces should be fine.

It's good to be back in a G37 (though the RX-8 is a special car too which I'll never sell).
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Old Apr 2, 2013 | 05:22 AM
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Seat Mod

Made an appointment at Accurate Auto Upholstery, Edgemont, PA, to have the seat modded on my 2013 G37 Sport. Will post later. I don't mind driving 4 hours to have someone do it who has done it before a few times. I don't want experiments on my seat.
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 10:05 AM
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update on this? anyone who removed the metal braces - how are the seats holding up? i've called a few places around dallas and one said the bolsters would fall flat and not look right?

how are the holding up for those that did it and how long ago did you do it?

anyone have this done in the Dallas area / know a shop in the Dallas area?

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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 04:47 PM
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Ragin,

The quote below came from the post that is 2 up from yours -

"For anyone concerned about the long term effects of the seat mod, I can tell you that after 3 years and 30,000 miles, the seats in my 2008 looked and felt exactly like they did on the day I had the mod done - no sagging of the side bolsters, air bladders fully functional, no problems at all."

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Old May 9, 2014 | 11:26 PM
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Resurrecting an old thread here but thought I might be able to contribute something to this topic. First the reason some people find the sports seats uncomfortable while other do not has much less to do with size, height, weight or nationality and more to do with how people sit. Some people sit with their legs apart or knees angled slightly outwards. For these people the thigh bolters, particularly the left side puts pressure on the thigh and feels like its digging into it. I happen to be one of these people. What compounds this issue even further is that the dead pedal is oriented far to the left side so if your a person that likes to use the dead pedal and sits with knees angled outward the sports seats can be extremely uncomfortable. The right side is non issue because the leg is inline with the gas pedal.

So tonight I went a head and modified my seat based on the information in this thread. Thanks to those who posted pictures and descriptions it was an easy job and literally only took me 50 minutes from start to finish, that's with getting the shop vac out an vacuuming the carpet while the seat was out and generally taking my time and used new cable ties where I cut the old ones. However, the way I did it was slightly different from what others have done. Instead of completely cutting the metal bar out I cut it in one spot and then used a steel bar bend the bracket outward so it lays more horizontal. To cut the bar I used a jig saw with a metal cutting blade. It cut easily without any mess or sparks flying like a grinder would do. I didn't have to completely remove the side trim piece or remove the seat cover other than the portion that went over the thigh bolter. Also the seat comes out of the car easier if it's slid almost all the way forward and the back rest in the upright position. I was actually surprised at how heavy the seat was.


This is the bar before being cut. My car is an 08 G35xS and the bar looks a bit different than other pics I've seen. Mine has a flat metal plate welded to it. It also had a plastic cover that went over it as shown in the next pic.




Plastic piece that went over the metal plate.



The metal bar cut and both pieces bent outwards. I carefully cut it with a jig saw just like it's shown. No fuss.




Seat put back together. You can see that the bolter is now angled slightly outwards.


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Old May 29, 2015 | 05:15 PM
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I had it done and my *** is happy. The difference is day and night
thank you guys
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Old Sep 22, 2015 | 01:56 PM
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Sorry for resurrecting such an old thread.

I'm new to this forum and about a month ago purchased a 2013 G37S. I'm definitely going to do this mod and have found a shop in Dallas that says they've done similar with Porsche and Audi vehicles. I'm curious if anyone else has done this mod recently. I've printed the Goatz pics to give to the shop but they're fairly old now and was wondering if anyone has newer pics? Also is there anything else I need to let the shop know of before they begin work. (Other than please don't mess up my leather).

Thanks for any updates anyone has on this... The shop I'm planning on using is Brunner Trim and Glass in Dallas. I'll let you know the results and post some pics in a week or so when I have the work done.

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Old Sep 22, 2015 | 03:41 PM
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i did it 4 months ago, i took all the pictures in this thread and they did exactly that. As I didn't do the job myself I don't have any pictures on how it's done

sorry!

in any case, you'll be happy with it
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Old Sep 22, 2015 | 10:26 PM
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I have the non-sport seats. I couldn't take those bolsters either. I took it to an upholstery shop and he replaced the stiff foam with a softer foam on each side. 100% better. No I can drive to work without limping in with buzzing legs!! Whats the hell's up with Nissan, This is supposed to have some luxury feature. My TL's interior was much nicer.
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Old Dec 12, 2015 | 01:47 AM
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Hello!
Any experience with doing the seats mod in North California? San Jose or close by?
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Old May 16, 2019 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bosssho
I am going to stop shy...by an inch...of saying if you don't do this mod you are nuts. lol

Before anyone gets anything bunched up and upset...I am saying that with a smile.

I just got it done by my local body shop....I printed out the applicable cut and pasted posts from Nick-L from this thread, went to the website from Goadee's AWESOME pic by pic steps...and made that entire thing into a Word Doc with like 10 pages of instructions, and dropped off the car...He did it in between waiting for paint and primer to dry on other vehicles he was working on and it cost me a whopping $125.00.

Needless to say I can't thank Nick and Goadee enough for this thread and their pics. This is why I join forums to begin with.

PS...of course on the 2010s it's ALL different under the seat and the brackets are encased in plastic housings, etc....but it was the same principle to do the job so it was no problem for my body guy and he's never even done upholstery...

Thanks again...from me, my legs, and my rump....all 185 lbs of me. :-)
Any chance you might still have that word doc? The only thing left in this thread I can find are the photo bucket photos that won't hardly load plus have no explanation.

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