What vehicle will be a worthy replacement for your sedan when it is time?
For something like that, I'd be counting on depreciation, and find one a year or two used. I honestly don't know why I keep getting drawn to that car. I think its the rear end design.
Thread Starter
Registered Member
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 4,724
Likes: 697
From: Appleton, WI
If I get an Alfa it has to have this logo too:
Going back to the ATSV talk...got a ride in a friend's car with intake, downpipe, and tune and this car is a rocket! He told me 540whp. The 8speed auto is so smooth I could barely feel it shifting gears. After looking at prices I think this is the car to upgrade to.
I think it looks even better and more sporty in this bright red in person. I first saw this car at the Milwaukee Auto show in the bright red a few years ago and it looked awesome.
I like the ATS-V, but I'm hesitant for a couple reasons.
First, this is a low volume niche car. Doesn't seem like much forum activity. How reliable is the 3.6TT? Are there any other know issues. It's not like GM has the best reliability history, and a 465 horsepower twin turbo sports car that's seen who knows how many 1/4 mile runs or track days could be a reliability nightmare.
Second, it's great that the car is depreciating to the point that what was a minimum $62K car is going for low 40s 2 years later, this trend isn't going to stop. With a 5 year note, the car wont be worth much by the time it's paid off and 7 years old with 70,000+ miles.
It's still a car that's on my list though.....
First, this is a low volume niche car. Doesn't seem like much forum activity. How reliable is the 3.6TT? Are there any other know issues. It's not like GM has the best reliability history, and a 465 horsepower twin turbo sports car that's seen who knows how many 1/4 mile runs or track days could be a reliability nightmare.
Second, it's great that the car is depreciating to the point that what was a minimum $62K car is going for low 40s 2 years later, this trend isn't going to stop. With a 5 year note, the car wont be worth much by the time it's paid off and 7 years old with 70,000+ miles.
It's still a car that's on my list though.....
The beautiful thing about getting luxury performance cars used is that the main depreciation is with the 1st owner and it is steep. After that, most cars level off and depreciate at rates much more similar to normal cars.
BTW the ATS V sedan is a real looker in person..
I've only seen it in grey with yellow calipers and its so nice an low key but aggressive...nothing like the regualr models
have you test driven one yet? i'm not sure what your streets are like where you are, but the M2 is a rough ride over bumps and uneven surfaces. i rode in one a while back and as much fun as it was the sacrifice is considerable. be sure to go for a drive before making up your mind.
that's why many auto journalists prefer the M240 as a DD over the M2. most agree the gain is not worth the pain. the M240 has almost all of the performance of the M2 but far less of the choppy ride nuisance. they also said the M2 squeaks and rattles much more - likely due to the harsher body motions which takes a toll on the various fasteners.
that's why many auto journalists prefer the M240 as a DD over the M2. most agree the gain is not worth the pain. the M240 has almost all of the performance of the M2 but far less of the choppy ride nuisance. they also said the M2 squeaks and rattles much more - likely due to the harsher body motions which takes a toll on the various fasteners.
Premier Member
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 500
Likes: 75
From: Ottawa, ON
have you test driven one yet? i'm not sure what your streets are like where you are, but the M2 is a rough ride over bumps and uneven surfaces. i rode in one a while back and as much fun as it was the sacrifice is considerable. be sure to go for a drive before making up your mind.
that's why many auto journalists prefer the M240 as a DD over the M2. most agree the gain is not worth the pain. the M240 has almost all of the performance of the M2 but far less of the choppy ride nuisance. they also said the M2 squeaks and rattles much more - likely due to the harsher body motions which takes a toll on the various fasteners.
that's why many auto journalists prefer the M240 as a DD over the M2. most agree the gain is not worth the pain. the M240 has almost all of the performance of the M2 but far less of the choppy ride nuisance. they also said the M2 squeaks and rattles much more - likely due to the harsher body motions which takes a toll on the various fasteners.
that's why many auto journalists prefer the M240 as a DD over the M2. most agree the gain is not worth the pain. the M240 has almost all of the performance of the M2 but far less of the choppy ride nuisance. they also said the M2 squeaks and rattles much more - likely due to the harsher body motions which takes a toll on the various fasteners.
^^ perhaps, assuming the entire suspension was stiffened (i.e. bushings, sway bars, etc) and not just the spring rates. not sure how many guys go full-beans with the G suspension conversion since it's not really aimed at that market.
I think I'm reading this right... In my 50's now, and I'm feeling a preference for a luxury(ish) car that has respectable, unique performance, as opposed to a sports car tamed down for the street. That's quite a distinction to put between the two 2's, but I still haven't driven either, so I'm just spit-balling.
I really need to drive a 2-series, whichever sub-model. Maybe this summer.
I really need to drive a 2-series, whichever sub-model. Maybe this summer.
Last edited by Rochester; May 17, 2018 at 05:13 PM.
for some reason - likely disposable income and/or lack of common sense - many of my friends are getting wilder with their vehicle choices as they get older. but not that old. late 30's early 40's more like it. newer camaro Z28, M4, M3, M2, hopped-up Golf R, hopped-up S4, and on...but they do all have other vehicles as DD's if needed.
Hopped up, LOL.
I'm 6.5 years into a 10+ year plan with this car. Still lots of time left, and low mileage on the way, but I love discussions like this, keeping my eyes and options open.
I'm 6.5 years into a 10+ year plan with this car. Still lots of time left, and low mileage on the way, but I love discussions like this, keeping my eyes and options open.
