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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by LexiG37
Don't our throttle bodies fully open and remain fully open when the engine is started? They shouldn't be responsible for a rough idle if they're fully open all the time. The VVEL regulates engine speed, not the throttle bodies. The throttle bodies are simply there as back up when/if the VVEL solenoid fails.
So whether your throttle bodies are filthy or pristine it shouldn't matter.
VVEL provides valve timing and has nothing to do with engine RPM. The throttle body regulates airflow and the MAF and O2 sensors tell the computer how much fuel to add through fuel injection to maintain the best A/F mixture.

If you want to learn how our engines work, read the shop manual. There is an incredible amount of detail there.
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by monty2003
VVEL provides valve timing and has nothing to do with engine RPM. The throttle body regulates airflow and the MAF and O2 sensors tell the computer how much fuel to add through fuel injection to maintain the best A/F mixture.

If you want to learn how our engines work, read the shop manual. There is an incredible amount of detail there.
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Incorrect.

Read the info from the designer:

Quote "VVEL-equipped engines control air amount at intake-valve by the combustion chamber entrance, which enables necessary air to be sent promptly to combustion chamber, resulting in better response."

http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU...0713VVEL-e.pdf
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TVPostSound
Incorrect.

Read the info from the designer:

Quote "VVEL-equipped engines control air amount at intake-valve by the combustion chamber entrance, which enables necessary air to be sent promptly to combustion chamber, resulting in better response."

http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU...0713VVEL-e.pdf
I stand corrected. Thanks for posting the info.
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 11:54 AM
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It almost seems that while the VVEL setup is far more complex, it offers alot of opportunity for aftermarket ECU upgrades, but at the cost of a much high barrier to entry.
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Old Jan 9, 2014 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by socketz67
It almost seems that while the VVEL setup is far more complex, it offers alot of opportunity for aftermarket ECU upgrades, but at the cost of a much high barrier to entry.
UpRev has cracked the VVEL programming, but still dont know what to do with it!!
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Old Jan 11, 2014 | 08:40 AM
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VVEL is variable intake lift, like BMW's Valvetronic system. Your throttle plates snap open just above idle and your right foot is effectively tied to valve lift.

Not sure how dirty TB's cause rough idle either, but enough people have the issue that I believe it. Cleaning should be an easy DIY.
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Old Jan 11, 2014 | 11:25 AM
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That's a cool presentation. Thanks for posting the link.

It compliments this article I had read previously that talks about how the engine was built for 1000hp+

Nissan 370Z Review; Engine (VQ37VHR) > 370z.com > 370z.com - Magazine

Since the motor has been out since 2006, I'm still curious as to why the ECU programmers haven't embraced it more openly. Maybe the complexity is a major barrier. I have to agree that the operation is not easy to grasp, especially if you have to unlearn what you already know about cams, valves, intakes, etc. VVEL is like one big control loop.

The new uprev tune thread on here is encouraging.

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