Exactly! You guys took the words right out of my mouth. Seeing the new M4 really reinforces the 2015-18 M3 -20 M4 as my favorite generation. If the new Nissan Z is not all it is cracked up to be, that generation could be my next sports car/daily driver.

 

The G80 in a way is too flashy but also very bland from some angles. I think the rear end is the only area it looks decent. I would argue between both the F80 and G80 the m3 is better looking than the m4.
Let's not forget these cars sound terrible

 

I haven't seen anyone mention the IS500. It will be interesting what the F performance model will bring to the table with upgraded suspension/drivetrain.

 

The E9X is my favorite but the F80 is still a good looking gen. This is just....

No.

 

Looking at the specs, it's still pretty heavy; just as heavy as the GSF if I'm not mistaken. Figured it might shed a few pounds for the IS model but doesn't seem to be the case. Still going to be around $60k starting if I had to guess. Cool to see Lexus is still pushing forward with big V8s though.

 

I love the sound of that E9X M3, but it just has no torque, weighs a lot, and has tiny brakes. A guy across the street at the BMW store has one with an exhaust. It sounds AMAZING, but it doesn't go anywhere. Sounds like it is going twice as fast as it actually is.

 

Making a car lighter is no longer an engineering priority, it costs too much money to make the car lighter and manufacturers now find ways to "improve" the feel even if the car is hefty. I don't think cars will ever get lighter, they've been on the upward trend and will continue to get heavier as we move to turbo/hybrid/ev layouts.

 

Tesla Roadster is only 2700 pounds. Then again, the 2nd gen roadster is a two-ton brick.

Unless you're setting your daily up as a track car, I don't think it matters. Personally, I love the way it feels when a really heavy car actually handles well. There's something rewarding about that experience. Two cars come to mind like that which I've driven over the last few years... a Tesla Model S P100d and a modified Chevy SS 6MT. Both full sized, ridiculously heavy, and yet had amazing handling character.

 

True, it's just the one gripe mentioned most whenever I watched reviews or anything on them; maybe they've figured out a way to hide it? I was actually very interested in the GSF but the price tag on them is just too much for me. Maybe a few years down the road - I certainly wouldn't mind getting a 4 door sedan w/ a big V8 w/ Toyo reliability.

 

https://www.genesis.com/us/en/build-...ext=tasmanblue


I am in love with Tasman Blue

 

I have a dress shirt that color. Hmm.

 

That's nice. I really like the dark metallic green they have on the current generation. I think the styling is more cohesive on the front end of this new generation, but it still looks a bit odd to me.

 

I like the front end (especially the headlights) more in the first gen. I like basically everything else they did on this new 2nd gen.

 

Curious if you've ever squeezed yourself in a Tesla Roadster? When I worked as a service manager for Tesla, I had the opportunity (challenge?) to drive one and to say its uncomfortable is holding back. I've been inside NASCAR rides and even several stock cars and both of those were roomy compared to the roadster. Getting into the roadster was very much like donning a one-size-too-small wetsuit without the advantage of dish soap or plastic bags. Can't speak much for the ride either. More like driving a go cart than an actual car and given its torque to weight ratio, kinda scary!

Id have to agree with you on the heavier cars though; I like the way the doors make a more satisfying thunk when you close them and the weight transfer seems more intuitive. I've experience the the Model S P100D but not the Chevy SS. I suspect the immediate low RPM torque is the Model S seriously overshadows any internal combustion engine and the extremely low center of gravity for the S (due to the battery/floor pan) makes it very stable until you slide all four wheels

 

Nope, never have, but I certainly would if ever offered. First rule of thumb for anyone into cars: never, ever turn down a test drive. Doesn't matter what kind of car it is.

I think the smallest cars I've ever driven would be the Pontiac Fiero and a Porsche 914. Can't say as I cared for either. As I was alluding to, I prefer a car with some heft... but I want it to handle well, too. And I don't really care for feeling like my butt is only two inches off the pavement. That's not my thing either.

It's why I appreciate the car that I have, and modified the way I like.