Supra with tune only. 452WHP 461TQ. Tires & 100 octane. Everything else stock.

 

The Mustang's best attribute over the Camaro is indeed outward visibility. Blind spot monitoring and a big V8 to dart ahead should help



That's a sick trap speed. But I'm still meh on the car.

 

Drive one and it'll change your mind

 

There is zero chance any car with an automatic transmission is going to change my mind

And, if I had that kind of money and wanted a 2 seat car, there are other things I'd go for.

 

I had an 09 Genesis sedan, only the V6 though. Unfortunately it was a complete lemon, but that lemon ruined me forever when it comes to interiors. It was such a comfortable car to drive around in and spend time in. I think you'd really enjoy looking at a big car with a V8, It's a bit crazy but you could even look Lexus LS.

 

If you're going to consider the Genesis route, don't forget the 3.3T. It make's pretty impressive results with a JB4--piggyback tuner for those not familiar with Burger Motorsports.

https://burgertuning.com/collections...ia-stinger-jb4

A Stinger with the same 3.3T put down 382 hp and 473 lb-ft of torque with just a tune.

 

The SS 1LE is a performance bargain new, and even better on the used market. Most GM performance cars are due to the depreciation- just look at the ATS-V or 14+ Corvette. Or if you can wait long enough- the 2020 Vette once it hits the used car market.

The Camaro looks great on paper, but I need to drive one again to be sure I would consider it. The last time I sat in one I just couldn't shake the feeling that the cabin felt so small compared to how big the car was. In comparison, I was always surprised by how well the GT-R wrapped around me and felt like a smaller car once I got inside it. I am not sure how that was possible- maybe the fact that the performance of a GT-R is a game changer.

 

I had that feeling too last time I drove (2017). Once you're actually moving, it's not that terrible. If/when I'm really ready, i'll take a used one for a longer test drive to see if I can deal with the interior.

 

Everyone bitches about the visibility in that car, but I don't remember it being too awful. Do you remember the visibility being tolerable or terrible?

 

I would honestly say tolerable. At the end of the test drive I wasn't too offput by it. The car definitely _requires_ the backup camera and blindspot monitoring. If/when I own one, I fully intend to install those 2" wide angle stick on mirrors on each side. The G while having great rearward visibility was still a bit of a challenge to backup in the MT model. Hard to look back and modulate clutch/throttle at the same time.

I suggest you test drive one to make your own opinion.

 

Bone stock Supra with tune and fuel

 

If it is tolerable I would probably be ok in the Camaro as far as visibility.

If you get an SS 1LE you should skip the cheater blind spot mirrors. One of the first things I learned in racing was how to properly set your side mirrors so you don't have a blind spot. Back the car into a parking spot about 1/2 way with cars in each blind spot. Set your side mirrors out so that you see about half of each car in the side view mirrors and the other half in the rear view mirror on the windshield. You will no longer have a blind spot. Blind spot monitoring came out because 99% of the population sets their side view mirrors so they see the side of their car. But that actually creates the blind spot because you see the exact same thing in the side mirror as you do the mirror on the windshield so you might as well rip the rear view mirror right off your windshield.

Your G has a back up camera, right?

 

I set the side view mirrors to see just the door handles. Rearview mirror? What's that. I rarely if ever look at it. Learned to drive on a full size conversion van with curtains blocking the rear windows. The rearview mirror might as well not have even existed. I'll play around with the mirrors in the current car to see if it helps any. With those wide angle mirrors I can see at a glance if there's something there or not.

The G had a back up camera yes.

 

Try it- it works. Definitely easier to adjust your mirrors out and use them like they were designed then go out and buy more mirrors that block the width of the factory mirrrors.

 

Try making sure your center mount mirror is as high up towards the headliner as it can go - the perspective is better looking slightly down. Then spot the mirrors out with a friend so there is only a tiny overlap.