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Old 09-20-2013, 10:16 PM
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Evolution of the G sedan

So title says it all.. Starting with the g20 to the Q50 here are the numbers.
By the Numbers: 2014 Infiniti Q50, G37, and G35 Sedans - Motor Trend WOT

2014 Infiniti Q50S: 3.7-liter V-6/328-hp/269-lb-ft; 7A/RWD
0-60 mph: 5.2 seconds
Quarter-Mile: 13.8 sec @ 102.1 mph
60-0 mph: 110 feet
Skidpad: 0.87 g (avg)
Figure Eight: 26.3 sec @ 0.71 g (avg)
The Q50 may be the newest and most efficient, but it’s hardly the quickest G we’ve ever tested. That honor belongs to the last-generation rear-drive 2009 Infiniti G37 S, which had the same engine and a seven-speed automatic.

2009 Infiniti G37 S: 3.7-liter V-6/328-hp/269-lb-ft; 7A/RWD
0-60 mph: 5.0 secfastest
Quarter-Mile: 13.5 sec @ 105.3 mph
60-0 mph: 110 ft
Skidpad: 0.90 g (avg)
Figure Eight: 26.4 sec @ 0.68 g (avg)

The all-wheel-drive version, the 2009 G37x S, isn’t far off the mark, either:
2009 Infiniti G37 front three quarter 2 300x187 image2009 Infiniti G37x S: 3.7-liter V-6/328-hp/269-lb-ft; 7A/AWD
0-60 mph: 5.4 sec
Quarter-Mile: 13.9 sec @ 100.5 mph
60-0 mph: 120 ft
Skidpad: 0.85 g (avg)
Figure Eight: 26.8 sec @ 0.66 g (avg)
Even when the last-generation Infiniti G was just the G35, with the previous-generation of Nissan’s VQ V-6, the sport sedan still posted up numbers within spitting distance of the new Q50. Just take a look at our old long-term 2007 G35 Sport, which only had 306 hp to work with.

2007 Infiniti G35 Sport: 3.5-liter V-6/306-hp/268-lb-ft; 5A/RWD
0-60 mph: 5.3 sec
Quarter-Mile: 13.9 sec @ 99.9 mph
60-0 mph: 108 ft
Skidpad: 0.91 g (avg)
Figure Eight: 25.9 sec @ 0.69 g (avg)
The first-generation Infiniti G35, which won our Car of the Year award in 2003, also put up impressive performance figures – despite the fact that it had 280 hp and didn’t benefit from the leaps in tire technology since then. In 2005 we tested a G35 with a five-speed automatic, and in 2003 a G35 with a six-speed manual. Here’s how they performed:

2003 Infiniti G35 front thee quarter motion 300x199 image2005 Infiniti G35: 3.5-liter V-6/280-hp/270-lb-ft; 5A/RWD
0-60 mph: 6.5 sec
Quarter-Mile: 14.7 sec @ 95.9 mph
60-0 mph: 112 ft
Skidpad: 0.88 g (avg)
Figure Eight: 26.6 sec @ 0.66 g (avg)
And the manual car:
2003 Infiniti G35: 3.5-liter V-6/280-hp/270-lb-ft; 6M/RWD
0-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Quarter-Mile: 14.3 sec @ 100.3 mph
60-0 mph: 110 ft
Skidpad: 0.84 g (avg)


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Old 09-21-2013, 09:51 AM
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The numbers are so close it's insignificant. Variations in manufacture of any component in the car from the engine, drivetrain, tires, brakes etc could cause a variation. Not to mention atmospheric conditions and the proprietary "fudge" factor these magazines apply in a mis-guided attempt to normalize the testing results.

So buy the numbers, the Q50 isn't faster, which I never expected, it's more refined with a lot more tech than the previous generation.

However, the Q50H makes this a different story as well as the teasers from Infiniti management about new powerplants.
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Originally Posted by g37guy01
The numbers are so close it's insignificant. Variations in manufacture of any component in the car from the engine, drivetrain, tires, brakes etc could cause a variation. Not to mention atmospheric conditions and the proprietary "fudge" factor these magazines apply in a mis-guided attempt to normalize the testing results.

So buy the numbers, the Q50 isn't faster, which I never expected, it's more refined with a lot more tech than the previous generation.

However, the Q50H makes this a different story as well as the teasers from Infiniti management about new powerplants.
It's common knowledge you like the Q, also common knowledge I'm not impressed, but yeah, the performance numbers aren't a big deal, but having to look at that car every day is (at least for me).
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Most of the time they list the 09+ at 5.2 to 5.3 One time I saw a sedan test at 5.0 as well as the IPL but then you turn around and someone else will list them at 5.2 to 5.3.


In other words take these numbers with a grain of salt. The different generations have been fairly consistent with the exception of the first gen G35

If you are a numbers kind of person most likely you wont even buy a G or Q as they are becoming. If you want a car with pep, style and lots of creature features the G or Q is a great car. I do miss mine but I don't miss trying to keep the car looking good. Next one will be a different color for sure.
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I appreciate you taking the time to post the stats keraxis.

I personally do not see them as insignificant and believe that most people use the benchmarks provided by the auto rags as a basis for stats such as these.
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Originally Posted by socketz67
I appreciate you taking the time to post the stats keraxis.

I personally do not see them as insignificant and believe that most people use the benchmarks provided by the auto rags as a basis for stats such as these.
I don't see them as insignificant, just that a tenth of a second here & there makes it about a dead heat through most of the years. They definitely are significant when cross shopping other makes since the numbers aren't often as close, plus it's nice to have a common measurement to do your comparisons.
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Originally Posted by socketz67
I appreciate you taking the time to post the stats keraxis.

I personally do not see them as insignificant and believe that most people use the benchmarks provided by the auto rags as a basis for stats such as these.
Correct, they are not insignificant. However, IMO, you cannot draw any conclusions regarding what model was faster with any certainty. It's a dead heat, the Vq36 has not gotten faster (which is to be expected without forced induction and direct injection).

However, the numbers will be trotted out like a trophy if needed to slam or in defense of.

I personally don't by a car just by the numbers, but I'm sure there are those who do and lust after the acceleration and speed. I don't. I want a comfy daily driver that can handle the commute and weather that would make "these performance cars fold like a cheap suit".
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For the record... the 03 and 04 G's had 260 hp. In 05 and 06 they went to 280.
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Originally Posted by g37guy01
I want a comfy daily driver that can handle the commute and weather that would make "these performance cars fold like a cheap suit".
How is the q any better? And what kind of commute and weather do you have that will make these performance cars fold like a cheap suit? I have seen you reference the 335 as faster, but don't care because you stated there also that you want a dd. What's wrong with the 335 as a dd?
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The first gen presented a certain raw level of base competence that may never be achieved again in our life time as we move more into an automotive age which demands increased technology/efficiency.

It simply did all of the basic things a car needs to do really well (i.e. launch, brake, steer, reliable, etc.), and seemed to fit like a glove from the first time you turned the key.

Refinement was missing and came in later generations, but that lack of refinement actually added to its character.

It was also nice how parts were interchangable with the Z, which means the first gens are destined to be a choice of tuners for years to come.

Sort of a modern day BWM 2002.

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Originally Posted by socketz67
The first gen presented a certain raw level of base competence that may never be achieved again in our life time as we move more into an automotive age which demands increased technology/efficiency.

It simply did all of the basic things a car needs to do really well (i.e. launch, brake, steer, reliable, etc.), and seemed to fit like a glove from the first time you turned the key.

Refinement was missing and came in later generations, but that lack of refinement actually added to its character.

It was also nice how parts were interchangable with the Z, which means the first gens are destined to be a choice of tuners for years to come.

Sort of a modern day BWM 2002.
Nice post socketz, especially when referring to the 1st gen coupe, Infiniti really brought their A game to the party.
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Agreed. The first Gen G-Coupe was a great car, with a character that Infiniti seems to have been pulling away from year over year. Weird.

That 1st Coupe was very much in the theme of Nissan's 240SX Coupe, but better in every way... except maybe weight.
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Both the 1st gen coupe and the sedan have a timeless look. The sedan was completely unassuming and a real wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Originally Posted by socketz67
Both the 1st gen coupe and the sedan have a timeless look. The sedan was completely unassuming and a real wolf in sheep's clothing.
The only real nick on the sedan IMO was the chunky trunk, looked a bit out of place w/ the smooth lines on the rest of the vehicle.
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The first gen coupe still catches my eye when they drive by. Age is not treating those large plastic headlights well though.


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