Has anyone here pre ordered this? If so was the pricing easy or did the dealership try to add stuff on or add a mark up to the pre order? Are you going to be one of the firsts to take delivery or will the dealership inventory models for the lots come before yours?

 

^^ the preordering has been a bit weird for this. I don't suspect many dealerships will try to do add ons or mark ups. I know I don't but maybe in areas that are sparse with dealerships. Pricing other than that is easy, msrp. pre ordered units from right now will be the first to hit the lots, all the first allocations will be taken up by pre orders, a pre ordered unit is not in addition to the actual inventory, it is taken out of the inventory. Pre orders taken after original allocation will be behind the first set of inventory however if any of the incoming matches the preorder it will be switched to it.

 

Your looking at the current one to much. Nissan will probably do their own headwork and turbo design. Look at the new focus st. with a tune and intake you get 300hp and 350 rwtq. New turbo technology is amazing when it comes to torque.

 

Yeah, The new turbo tech is amazing. Look at the new Mercedes CLA AMG. A 2.0 4 cylinder turbo making 354 hp and 331 lb ft torque. Awesome numbers.

 

The context was an off turbo four-banger makes little power. Disable the turbo on the 328 and see how fast you can go, when it is in 8th gear at highway speed it's tiny 2.0 may lug badly. Unless you drive like a grandma all the time, you are not saving much fuel over a similarly powered V6 when do spirited driving which I do regularly. That's the point to own a sporty sedan, isn't it? Sure, you could get close to that impressive EPA number driving like a grandma.

 

I got a 2013 G37 sport manual this month. I jumped on the 24 month lease offer because I've never seen anything less than a 3 year lease available. Plus I knew the Q50 was coming out and I hope I can turn in my lease and get a Q50 in a couple of years. However, that strictly depends on a nice sport manual being offered. If the Q50 doesn't offer this by the time I'm ready, I'm pretty sure I'll be moving on to a BMW. A nice sport manual is just too nice and I don't think I'm ready to go back to an automatic.

 

I don't think you've seen the torque curves for the N20 engine in the 328i and the VQ37VHR.

The VQ has higher torque only above 5K RPMs. Below 5K RPMs, the N20 generates somewhat higher torque than the VQ.

You were talking about low RPM torque - at 2K RPMs, the N20 generates 220 lb/ft of torque, while the VQ generates 200.

The VQ certainly does better over 5K RPMs (the N20 torque starts declining at that point while the VQ stays flat), but you had better wear some ear plugs if you rev up the VQ37VHR that high...

Naturally aspirated 6-cyl engines are becoming obsolete, just like naturally aspirated 8-cyl and 10-cyl engines. Smaller engines with forced induction simply outperform them both in terms of power and fuel efficiency. FI 4-cyl replaces NA 6-cyl, FI 6-cyl replaces NA 8-cyl, FI 8-cyl replaces NA 10-cyl. The high-rev abilities of NA engines aren't really very relevant outside the race track.

 

Just like the 335i's n55 turbo where peak torque starts just off idle at 1200 rpm.

 

I did.

2008 G35S sedan - lease ended.
2011 Maxima Sport - wrecked (guy ran a red light)
2011 G37S Coupe - wrecked (got rear ended)
2012 EX35 - love it but want the sedan.
2012 Fx35 - keeping.

I'm just waiting to see what incentives they offer. If they do sticker plus like 0-2% - I'll have to hold off.

I got amazing deals on all of the cars above - and while I want it - i need to know the deal and also see all the colors in person.

 

Guys, the only thing that is not included in the destination fee and if a dealer charges a doc fee, some do some don't.

If anyone is getting a quote for more than MSRP, hmu and let me see what I can do for you. No commitmen. Keep in mind that I am in the middle of the cournty and 98% of my inventory will be awd.

 

Turbo does produce high torque number...when you floor it and with all other supporting conditions is just right (fuel quality, air temperature, state of your ecu) When you rev to 2k in the 328i you do not always get full boost to make 220 lb/ft. The 328i is a sitting duck when the turbo is not spooling up but it saves fuel. That is why turbo is a good choice for both fuel economy and passing power. On the street, small turbo motor some time loosing out despite better number on paper. Just line up the G37 and the 328i, let see what those torque number means...

 

I've driven both, and the 328i felt stronger and faster to me on public roads. It's not just the somewhat increased low-end torque, it's also the weight - the 328i is over 200 lbs lighter than the G37. Anyway, neither car is all that exciting in terms of power. The S4/S5 are much more fun, for example.

 

What kind of deal did you get? I just looked up Grubbs Infiniti and they have a Premium for $249 a month with 3K down for 24 months and no tax either. My lease ends at the end of this year and I am thinking about looking into this deal. Send me an IM if we are not allowed to discuss prices on the forum.

 

S4/S5 are not 4 cyl turbo like you have been arguing for. Again, line up the G37 and the 328 and see which one is faster. Test drive feels and butt dyno is usually way off, especially with prejudice in mind..
I am waiting to see how Q50 perform.

 

It's splitting hairs between the G37 and the 328i. The 328i has more low-end torque and it's lighter, so it feels stronger and more agile on public roads. On the race track, the G37 wins thanks to its better performance at high RPMs.

Like I said, neither one of those cars gives you that awesome power feel that you get with somewhat higher-end cars like the S4/S5/335i. In particular, the quattro grip + low-end torque of the Audis result in amazing acceleration with great traction - just no comparison between my G37 and my S5 in that area.

The Q50 with the VQ37VHR should perform similarly to the G37 - why would it be any different? People have been hopeful for an improvement from the hybrid, but weight is the problem with that one.

In my view, Nissan has been neglecting engine development for a while, so they've fallen behind in introducing new technology in mass-produced engines. This is why they need to get an engine from Mercedes for the Q50. They've also fallen behind in transmissions (other than CVT). Hopefully, the new Jatco 8-speed will correct that.