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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:11 PM
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Hydrogen Generator for our cars???

Hey guys i had a conversation at work with a co worker and he said that he made a hydrogen generator for his diesel pick up. I asked him if that was just for diesel and he said no, that it works better with gasoline engines and gives way better mpg's and a little performance. I tried searching online to see what it is and i guess it could work for our cars. have you guys ever try it or heard of it.
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:17 PM
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More details please
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:20 PM
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Never heard of them before. Any more info on it?

Seems like everyones a post ***** now on this forum. I don't see how we keep any new members around.
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:24 PM
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Basically all it is, a glass jar filled with water and baking soda. Add two metal plates with small gap between them and a rubber siphon off the top. Then apply a voltage difference. Connect the siphon to the vacuum line of the car.

The creates a small amount of hydrogen that is suppose to be sucked into the engine, creating more power and better efficiency. They have been around for a long time with people making crazy claims, but completely unproven.

It creates a very minuscule amount of hydrogen and more often than not, just ends up draining the battery.
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:28 PM
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Interesting.. I have a feeling though it's another $4 fuel additive/$10 e-bay chip

We all saw how those worked out
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:33 PM
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The hydrogen/oxygen gas that is removed burns at a much higher temp than gas. They claim it creates more power, higher efficiency, less deposits, and less emissions. Mostly marketed towards larges SUVs like the Hummer. Completely pointless to even think about on a sports car.

Plus has been disproven many times over. Mostly just another ebay gimmick. They hydrogen generator kits run anywhere from 15 dollars up to 20,000 dollars.
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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Sounds just right Buddiee, had that been the case car manufacturers would have jumped on that already and we would have seen commercial cars with Hydrogen Generators.. It just sounds too good to be true
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:39 PM
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Honda has made a car that runs on hydrogen, but the architecture and technology is completely different than a gasoline engine. Plus the Honda Hydrogen car runs on pure hydrogen not HHO (brown hydrogen that the generators produce) and is high pressure. Honda called it the FXC and was available only in Cali for a 1 year lease for crazy amounts of money. The car was ridiculous expensive to produce.....yet the generator companies claim they can do it for 15 dollars.

You cannot just put hydrogen in a regular car and expect it work miracles. Engines are built and tuned to run on a SPECIFIC fuel.

Just like putting alcohol in your engine wont give you crazy power, unless your car is specially built and tuned for it. It requires completely different strokes, compression, a/f ratios, timing, ect.

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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:41 PM
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It was just another huge gimmick that came out when gas prices were crazy high. Alot of SUV owners were forking over cash for hydrogen generators (un-guaranteed of course) with promises of more power and better mpgs.
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:48 PM
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hydrogen burns quite well, it's actually quite dangerous to light the gas (gas as in hydrogen is a vapour) up. the technology is being designed and it's already in concept cars... this is nothing new...lol

no baking soda lol, put salt and pass some voltage in the water and the bubbles forming is hydrogen, collect it and light it..... wablamo....hahaha



i'm talking about a full on hydrogen power car, not some gizmo to add on a car
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 09:56 PM
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You cannot produce pure hydrogen with a little charge. It produces HHO (called brown gas) it is actually a hyrdogen/oxygen gas (still very flammable). You cannot run a full hydrogen power car without heavy heavy modification (complete redesign). It takes large refinery plants to make large quantities of the pure hydrogen that they run on.

Only Honda has a running car with very limited refueling stations in cali.

Actually baking soda is used, not salt. It creates much more gas.
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 10:02 PM
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actually, salt is used... baking soda makes CO2




right now, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen then to just burn oil... so there's no point



could be wrong... but salt is used....
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 10:06 PM
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NaHCO3 = baking soda


NaCl = salt, which is better
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nogoodname
NaHCO3 = baking soda


NaCl = salt, which is better
How is NaCl better it doesn't even consist of hydrogen!!
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Old Sep 13, 2009 | 10:11 PM
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I barely passed chem for engineers so don't ask me. lol
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