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Old May 13, 2009 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by todd92
Well I'm a ChE, that worked for many years for Mobil in the lab that developed Mobil 1, and I call BS on that. 1st, 30 and 40 designate a range of viscosities, not an exact viscosity, so it is quite possible for a heavy 30 weight and a thin 40 weight to be almost identical. 2nd, assuming your 40 weight is thicker than your 30 weight, the thicker oil will provide higher film strength and more wear resistance and the expense of higher pumping losses (lower HP and MPG). It's no big deal and you or your engine won't notice the difference. I wouldn't hesitate to use 40 weight, especially if I was tracking my car or driving very aggressively often.
Thanks for the clarification. I was second-guessing my choice with 0w40 for a second there.
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Old May 13, 2009 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by todd92
Well I'm a ChE, that worked for many years for Mobil in the lab that developed Mobil 1, and I call BS on that. 1st, 30 and 40 designate a range of viscosities, not an exact viscosity, so it is quite possible for a heavy 30 weight and a thin 40 weight to be almost identical. 2nd, assuming your 40 weight is thicker than your 30 weight, the thicker oil will provide higher film strength and more wear resistance and the expense of higher pumping losses (lower HP and MPG). It's no big deal and you or your engine won't notice the difference. I wouldn't hesitate to use 40 weight, especially if I was tracking my car or driving very aggressively often.
Yes, I agree, one man's 30W is another man's 40W. But, we know that "thickness" isn't really viscosity. It's just easier to think in terms of "thickness" rather than "flowability". I think what my friend was really telling me was 1) if Nissan wanted 5W-40 in this engine, they would have specified 5W-40, and 2) if Nissan was ever looking for a way to deny warranty coverage on an oil related failure, the owner's use of something other than 5W-30 would be an out for Nissan. If 5W-30 works, why use 5W-40 or 0W-40 if you might end up in a fight with Nissan?

And, to o0mikeyboy, it's your car and your warranty, so use whatever viscosity you want. But, if in the slim chance you'll end up in a fight with Nissan because you used a viscosity different than that specified, don't say we didn't tell you.
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Old May 13, 2009 | 10:31 PM
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After all this discussion which 8100 should I get? :P
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Old May 14, 2009 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by notalk
And, to o0mikeyboy, it's your car and your warranty, so use whatever viscosity you want. But, if in the slim chance you'll end up in a fight with Nissan because you used a viscosity different than that specified, don't say we didn't tell you.
yep, i know. I think i'll take the chance.
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Old May 14, 2009 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by notalk
Yes, I agree, one man's 30W is another man's 40W. But, we know that "thickness" isn't really viscosity. It's just easier to think in terms of "thickness" rather than "flowability". I think what my friend was really telling me was 1) if Nissan wanted 5W-40 in this engine, they would have specified 5W-40, and 2) if Nissan was ever looking for a way to deny warranty coverage on an oil related failure, the owner's use of something other than 5W-30 would be an out for Nissan. If 5W-30 works, why use 5W-40 or 0W-40 if you might end up in a fight with Nissan?

And, to o0mikeyboy, it's your car and your warranty, so use whatever viscosity you want. But, if in the slim chance you'll end up in a fight with Nissan because you used a viscosity different than that specified, don't say we didn't tell you.
Thickness, viscosity and flowability are all the same thing. No one is ever going to have a warranty problem from using a 40 weight, so why talk about it? Sounds like you get your oil changed every 3750 miles at the dealer to 'protect' your warranty. Foolish, but you're not alone.
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Old May 14, 2009 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by todd92
No one is ever going to have a warranty problem from using a 40 weight, so why talk about it?
Because a great number of people have had engine related warranty claims denied over the years based upon their oil usage and change intervals. I would venture tens of thousands. (Not a huge number in light of millions of cars on the road.) Personally, I am aware of hundreds. But, then my experience in this area is only from one manufacturer. And, Nissan has a reputation in the industry of not exactly being the most warranty friendly. And, Infiniti's dealers don't have a reputation of going to bat for their customers. And, in today's economic climate pretty much every manufacturer (with the exception of a few) will look for any excuse to not replace a "bad" motor.

Everyone can do their own research and make up their own mind. If someone wants to follow the manufacturer's change interval and viscosity, like Road & Track which "complains" about it with the their long-term EX, because they feel more comfortable, well, maybe that's cheap insurance. Who's to tell them they're wrong, or even foolish?

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