Mike is correct. The throttle bodies' normal operational 'mode' is 100% with 'throttle' controlled by the valve train system.

And the Ester oil is significant NOT because of the Ester compounds, but for the nanoparticles. The Ester part is misleading. Nissan should have called it 'Nano-oil' or something, lol, would have led to a many a more fruitful discussion.

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So Nissan wants you to use Nissan ester oil mostly for temp or for something else? It sounds like if your not on the track then you don't need Nissan oil?

 

I just want to know if you can find this nano particle type stuff, or whatever it is that makes the ester oil better for VVEL, in any other oils such as redline.

 

I wonder if Hertz uses $11 Nissan oil in the g37's?

 

Need4Speed....you might want to check the facts before
making posts like this.

Don't take my word for it, Call Infiniti-techinfo.com at
1-800 450-9491 and ask them. They will tell you that
they switched their factory fill to their ester oil
sometime mid-model year 08 on all VQ37 engines...
but you are correct that some of the early VQ37s were
not filled with it. You can also find the TSB and
accompaning explainiations to consumers on either
the Nissan or Infiniti web sites.

...... "NISSAN recommends Genuine NISSAN Ester Engine Oil..."
See All 09 owners manauals of vehicles with the
VQ37 section 9, technical and consumer information.
For all Infiniti's page 9-3. Look for yourself. BTW
you can check the manuals for the Nissan models
with this engine right on-line....again, don't take
my word for it, check it for yourself.

 

Ok....I'm gonna settle this. Here are screenshots (in PDF form) from an online version of the 2009 manual. It DOES say "Nissan does recommend Genuine Nissan Ester Engine oil available at your Nissan dealer."

That being said, my dealer does NOT push Ester on me and used Pennzoil conventional 5w30 at my initial free oil change (and from here on out, I've been using Pennzoil brand products - just switched to Pennz Platinum) and have had ZERO issues. No VVEL tick, No rough idle. NOTHING. Maybe that's because regular oil is JUST FINE for our cars.

Here are the attachments:

 

I did check before posting, Mr Know-It-All. My 08 did not come with the miracle oil. My owners manual does not mention it. My engine doesn't make any noise. There is no need to use this oil. My car is quite happy with Mobil 1.

Maybe YOU should check facts before making blanket statements.

 

Jeff, Arco used to make an oil called "ARCO Graphite" and were the
first to suspend carbon in their blends to reduce friction. I don't know
if anyone else has a similar additive on the market right now. You
could ask the question on "bobistheoilguys" site and I'm sure you would
get a quick answer from the "Tribology heads" on that site very
quickly....which is a good idea and I'll probably do just that as
soon as I finish this post.

I fully expect that we'll see "nano additives" start to become
more and more prevelent in oil formulas. Conoco-Phillips has
begun suspending titanium in some of their formulas and
I'd bet that Eneos is ready to go with their own marketing
of the Nissan blend as soon as Nissan's patent denial appeal
period is expired or they make a deal with Eneos. As many
Nissans as there are on the road, I would expect that we'll
see other oil companies get their own products on the
market very soon aimed at Nissan VQ37 engines.

One of the confusing and tricky issues with "ester oil" is that unless
you purchase a true ester like Eneos, Redline, Motul, or Renewable
Resources, we as consumers have no way to know if the brands,
blends or specific weight formulas actually have true
esthers or polyesters in the formulas since the major oil companies
guard their proprietory formulas. Some manufactures have
been forthcoming, like Mobil and openly state they do not
manufacture a product recommended for use in the VQ37 engine.
AND the irony of that is there are many Nissan/Infiniti dealers
right now, who recommend and use Mobil 1 in the VQ37!!!!


It's no surprise that Nissan Ester is a conventional base with just
enough ester added to solve their problems with the 3.7.....but
interestingly we'll never find out just how much true ester is
in it, But we do know that it's enough to satisfy Nissan.

 

What "Blanket statement" are you refering too? Very little of
what I've posted has been my opnion. When I give my opinion
I say it's my opinion, otherwise it comes f rom a source I
make reference too. It's easy to tell the difference if you look.
I don't claim to know it all, I do research for a living and I'm very
good at finding out anything my clients want to know about what
product developers and companies are doing and why.

Read my post about the switch during Mid-year 08 models.
That pretty much explains why there is no reference to
Ester Oil in your owners manual, and if you read it before
you accused me of making incorrect comments you would
understand without finding me at fault.

If you are into facts, you would also know that Mobil 1
does not recommend any of their products for use in
your engine. Will is run on it....probably just fine as you
state. Will it last through the warranty period? ...probably.
Is there wear going on that could be prevented???? I'd like
to see your UOAs....have you done any????

I am amused at the folks on this board who seem so
confident in their denial of Nissans recommendation of
using Ester oil in the VQ37 and all the events and
circumstances that lead to it. I've said it before and
here it is again....use whatever you want.

I don't sell the stuff, and sure don't have anything to prove
to anyone on this board....I'm sure not making any money
from anyone here. If I were you I would want to know
why Nissan started recommending Ester Oil for your engine
after you bought it.

 

Here it is right off of Mobil's web site. But once again, you stick your foot in your mouth. You ramble on, but really have no clue about oils or lubrication.

What's the right oil for my car?


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Current Vehicle:
Year: 2008
Make: Infiniti
Model: G37
Engine Type: 6cyl. 3.7Liter Naturally Aspirated






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Todd, again, don't take my word for it. See Need4Speeds previous post
I've included below. I can tell you they told me the same thing. Looks
to me like Mobil needs to update their website... You be the judge and
let us all know how that Mobil 1 looks in your UOAs around 40K miles
will you please? You might want to go back and read the previous
pages of this thread to get caught up....It might also keep you
from being rude to others, including me.

I don't want to agrue, It's not constructive or useful to others. Why don't you tell us all the events that lead to
Nissan developing and recommending ester oil for the VQ37, and you keep using Mobil 1 and we''ll agree to provide
our used oil analysis' for all to see between 20 and 40K miles OK? BTW...see Mobil's response to "Need4Speed" below.

 

I have used Mobil 1, along with a few other synthetics in all of my cars for over 25 years. 10-17k OCI's. I quit doing UOA analysis, because they never showed anything useful, the oil was always fine and the wear metals were low. My current highest mileage car is a 2005 BMW 330i ZHP which has 100k miles and has been on a 17k OCI schedule. Oil consumption, gas mileage and performance have not changed one bit since new. Cam area is still spotless. This car has variable valve technology which predates Nissan by quite a bit. Some complain of valve/cam rattle with this engine also, I have yet to experience it and in any case ZHP owners all concur it is not oil related. The response the other guy got from Exxon was a pure CYA answer. He asked what to use since Nissan recommends thier Ester Oil. Thier answer will always be follow the manufacturers recommendations while under warranty. They are not saying Mobil 1 is bad for this engine. You continually imply that others are taking a risk not using this Nissan crap. 'See what happens after 40k miles', 'If your car makes it through the warranty'. You are wrong. There is nothing magical about this engine. It will work fine on any quality synthetic.

 

Todd, Talk about "blanket statements"...."all ZHP owners concur it is
not oil related" Sorry, pal, I don't believe that and don't think
you can qualify that statement. That would be like me saying that
all ZHP owners can't or haven't read the Nissan white papers
or TSBs. If "they all" feel that way, why do "they all" believe
Nissan recommends ester oil???? You still haven't answered my
question....why do you think Nissan recommend Ester oil for the
VQ37??? You've certainly had alot to say about oil, me, your
negitive feelings etc, ect, but not why you think
Nissan recommends it?


SO, you used Mobil 1 in your BWM, Probably because it's what
they recommended. I used Mobil one for years in two BMWs and
two Mercedes.....because that's what they both recommended.
That doesn't make either of us VVEL experts or have anything to do
with this thread.


You refer to Nissan oil as "Nissan crap" Why can't you say something
constructive? I agree that's it's expensive, but certainly not "crap"
Why do you hate it so much that you call it crap? Why won't you
acknowledge that Nissan recommends it for your engine? Why would
you put something in your motor that mobil 1 does not recommend?
I'm not buying your Mobil CYA logic for their reply. They are in
business of selling oil, if they knew their 5W-30 "SM" rated oil
would work well in the VQ37 they sure would say so....thats
how they make their money. Mobil is a reputable enough company
that I would tend to believe them when they say they don't have a
recommend oil for the VQ37. Like I said before...run what you want.
I do think lot's of folks (my opinion) besides me would like to see your
VQ/mobil 1 UOAs though....or is that too hard for you to believe also?

 

Actually BMW does not recommend Mobil 1. They recommend BMW Synthetic Oil. MB does recommend Mobil 1. In your narrow world, you should only use what the manufacturer 'recommends'. For Nissan, that is Nissan oil. For BMW, that is BMW oil. For MB, that is Mobil 1. MB doesn't package oil, but they did sign a marketing agreement with Mobil. Just because a manufacturer recommends it, doesn't mean it is the best. In most cases, like these, it is because they have a vested interest.

I call the oil crap because it is. It is an unremarkable conventional basestock with Nissan's patented nano-particles. It sells for double what proven high quality synthetics sell for. Since engine wear just isn't an issue with synthetics, why do you think you suddenly need this odd invention to protect your highly unusual, special Nissan engine? If Nissan really came up with such a valuable invention, they would be licensing the technology to Mobil or Castrol, who have huge motor oil market shares, instead of trying to 'recommend' it to gullible Nissan owners.

 

So if I don't want to use the Nissan oil and I don't take my G37 sedan to the track what am I using for oil? 2 for 1 against 2 against and 2 for, back and forth I unless I missed it I still not sure what to use except the Nissan o$l.
Nevermind. As I read Nissan recommends. Not in bold black letters or anything about the warr. I use PP and let it go at that.