Worn & warped rotors at 13K miles
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This is my 3<sup>rd</sup> G<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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2012-G37s 4 door sport w/NAV<o></o>
I took my 2012 G-37s 4-door in for 13K mile maintenance andthe dealer discovered 4 warped rotors, brake pads that were down to the lastmil and damaged brake pins. I was toldthat my car has the same wear and tear as a car with 40,000 miles. Did I mention I only have 13k miles.. The dealership tried to charge close to $2,800but eventually warrantied the resurfacing of the rotors and rear brakepads. I was left with a $700 bill forthe front brake pads and the cost of the original maintenance. I purchased this G in Jan-2012 brand new.
With my previous G’s, I never went through a set of brakepads or a set of tires but in less than a year, my 2012 has drastic wear and tear. <o></o>
The dealer asked about my driving habits-do I drive with theemergency brake on (really!), do I frequently drive up and down mountainous terrain,Am I a speed racer or do I track my car. All of which are NO-I’m a conservative driver and never had a speedingticket. I do enjoy an occasional burstof speed off a light or getting on the freeway but I’m in my late 40’s andoften drive with kids and I drive less than 10 miles to work every day. <o></o>
I also noticed that I get about 14 to 16 MPG. Is it possible that I’m experiencing somesort of out of sync calibration with my computer system and the ABS system thatwould be engaging the brakes longer than needed? Any other suggestions? Is anyoneelse experiencing a similar issues?
2007-G35 4 door sedan<o></o>
2009-G-37 4 door Journey w/ NAV<o></o>
2012-G37s 4 door sport w/NAV<o></o>
I took my 2012 G-37s 4-door in for 13K mile maintenance andthe dealer discovered 4 warped rotors, brake pads that were down to the lastmil and damaged brake pins. I was toldthat my car has the same wear and tear as a car with 40,000 miles. Did I mention I only have 13k miles.. The dealership tried to charge close to $2,800but eventually warrantied the resurfacing of the rotors and rear brakepads. I was left with a $700 bill forthe front brake pads and the cost of the original maintenance. I purchased this G in Jan-2012 brand new.
With my previous G’s, I never went through a set of brakepads or a set of tires but in less than a year, my 2012 has drastic wear and tear. <o></o>
The dealer asked about my driving habits-do I drive with theemergency brake on (really!), do I frequently drive up and down mountainous terrain,Am I a speed racer or do I track my car. All of which are NO-I’m a conservative driver and never had a speedingticket. I do enjoy an occasional burstof speed off a light or getting on the freeway but I’m in my late 40’s andoften drive with kids and I drive less than 10 miles to work every day. <o></o>
I also noticed that I get about 14 to 16 MPG. Is it possible that I’m experiencing somesort of out of sync calibration with my computer system and the ABS system thatwould be engaging the brakes longer than needed? Any other suggestions? Is anyoneelse experiencing a similar issues?
I do a lot of downshifting rather than use my brakes.
I'm surprised you didn't notice brakes dragging and perhaps stuck calipers.
If you do a lot of mountain driving try downshifting to brake your vehicle rather than riding your brakes.
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Thanks for the replies-and to be clear, $700 was for entire set of brake pads, resurfacing front and rear routers (at a discounted "warranty"rate), (synthetic) oil change ($75) and a new cabin filter.
I believe Jsolo is on to something and I like the suggestion of contacting Infiniti Customer Care.
Incidentally, the tread on all 4 tires are completely worn-to replace a like for like is going to cost another $1,000.
I have the G37 S w/ sports tuned suspension edition-my rear tires are wider than the front tires-and I'm unable to rotate.
I believe Jsolo is on to something and I like the suggestion of contacting Infiniti Customer Care.
Incidentally, the tread on all 4 tires are completely worn-to replace a like for like is going to cost another $1,000.
I have the G37 S w/ sports tuned suspension edition-my rear tires are wider than the front tires-and I'm unable to rotate.
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Heh, the rotors should've been resurfaced and the pads replaced for free per the TSB. I got mine done all for free.
You can say you have the brake judder issue due to your warped rotors.
http://www.infinitig37.com/TSB/1SJ14.pdf
Maybe it might not apply in your case.
You can say you have the brake judder issue due to your warped rotors.
http://www.infinitig37.com/TSB/1SJ14.pdf
Maybe it might not apply in your case.
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At 13k miles..the rotors managed to get warped, the pads are worn, your tires are gone..there is something seriously wrong. The only thing you should have he dealership do is warranty work that's it. You should find a individual mechanic who you can build a relationship with and not rip you off for these type of repairs if you're not comfortable with.
Was your car giving any symptoms of worn out brakes? Did your steering wheel shake when braking from high speed? Did they give you rotor measurements?
Dealerships seem to almost always play older adults and females who have no clue..and a lot just pay up.
Was your car giving any symptoms of worn out brakes? Did your steering wheel shake when braking from high speed? Did they give you rotor measurements?
Dealerships seem to almost always play older adults and females who have no clue..and a lot just pay up.
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^ +1. something sounds amiss here. rear tires MAY wear out that quickly on the S (can't rotate) if you are hard on the car. but not the fronts. that seems very strange, unless you've scrubbed the tread from autocrossing? or is your alignment hooped?
as for the brakes, ask the dealer for the rotor runout (signs of warping) and thickness. i'd be shocked if you were out of spec by 13k miles on a DD - again, unless you autocross. the spec limits can be found in the service manual (search on the forum, they are available). the fronts take a lot more abuse so you could be ~1/2 worn up front, but much less worn on the rear.
note that most "warped" rotor sensations are caused by uneven pad deposits. NOT rotor warping.
also, i completely agree that you should not be having the dealer do non-warranty services. you are just dumping money down the crapper. buy your own parts (many OEM parts suppliers online) and take the parts to a trusted independent. there are many around, and brakes are not a complex procedure. even better, DIY! brakes are a 2 out of 10 on the difficulty scale, 10 being toughest. you don't need any special tools. all 4 corners would take a rookie less then 2 hrs total!
as for the brakes, ask the dealer for the rotor runout (signs of warping) and thickness. i'd be shocked if you were out of spec by 13k miles on a DD - again, unless you autocross. the spec limits can be found in the service manual (search on the forum, they are available). the fronts take a lot more abuse so you could be ~1/2 worn up front, but much less worn on the rear.
note that most "warped" rotor sensations are caused by uneven pad deposits. NOT rotor warping.
also, i completely agree that you should not be having the dealer do non-warranty services. you are just dumping money down the crapper. buy your own parts (many OEM parts suppliers online) and take the parts to a trusted independent. there are many around, and brakes are not a complex procedure. even better, DIY! brakes are a 2 out of 10 on the difficulty scale, 10 being toughest. you don't need any special tools. all 4 corners would take a rookie less then 2 hrs total!
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I will never in my life take my Infiniti to any dealership, except the first ever service (because its free)
Front brake pads? $80 shipped
Labor? Less than an hour
5 qts of oil? $25
Filter? $5
Where they got $700 and how you PAID $700 is beyond me.
You have been raped.
Front brake pads? $80 shipped
Labor? Less than an hour
5 qts of oil? $25
Filter? $5
Where they got $700 and how you PAID $700 is beyond me.
You have been raped.
That's $615 TOTAL for all 4 corners.
I would call Infiniti USA and complain about the car. What you are experiencing is NOT normal.
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Its hard to imagine that brakes in the condition you've described were not exhibiting major symptoms. Something does not sound right....I can understand problems with a caliper that does not release causing issues with one wheel...but all four? Unless you kept the used parts, there is nothing you can do at this point except to plead your case before Infiniti USA. Very suspicious to me.......
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Thats me after driving a used Toyota Supra for many years until I got t-bone at a intersection. When I drove my friends car with an automatic transmission, I didnt even realize I was braking with my left foot and gas with my right until my friend complained how bad I was driving lol. Am I the only idiot?
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No, I'm not a left foot breaker...
Hey-Get this. On my G-37 S w/ sports tuned suspension, my tire composite rating is a 140 which is a very soft rubber and typically found on (racing) track-tires.
Bridgestone Potenza RE050A-
According to Bridgestone, these tires are so soft, they do not warranty this model and the typical mileage is between 10K & 12K miles for "normal" everyday use.
Since purchasing my 3rd G-37 last Jan-2012, I'm close to $2000 worth of maintenance with the first year.
I realize that I'm supposed to be a fan of the G's to be a part of this forum, and I am, however, this, my 3rd G, is killing my wallet.
Hey-Get this. On my G-37 S w/ sports tuned suspension, my tire composite rating is a 140 which is a very soft rubber and typically found on (racing) track-tires.
Bridgestone Potenza RE050A-
According to Bridgestone, these tires are so soft, they do not warranty this model and the typical mileage is between 10K & 12K miles for "normal" everyday use.
Since purchasing my 3rd G-37 last Jan-2012, I'm close to $2000 worth of maintenance with the first year.
I realize that I'm supposed to be a fan of the G's to be a part of this forum, and I am, however, this, my 3rd G, is killing my wallet.
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How long those tires last depends on a ton of factors, mostly the driver of the car. Most people on this forum report closer to the 15-20K mile range on the OEM Potenzas. Some more. Some less. From your description it seems that you are a driver who is harder on the car than some and will pay more to maintain it. There are lots of other drivers with far more miles in a shorter period of time hand have not had the maintenance costs you have. If you get a car with cheaper replacement parts or modify how you drive it it'll go easier on your wallet.
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How long those tires last depends on a ton of factors, mostly the driver of the car. Most people on this forum report closer to the 15-20K mile range on the OEM Potenzas. Some more. Some less. From your description it seems that you are a driver who is harder on the car than some and will pay more to maintain it. There are lots of other drivers with far more miles in a shorter period of time hand have not had the maintenance costs you have. If you get a car with cheaper replacement parts or modify how you drive it it'll go easier on your wallet.
As I mentioned, I don't drive very hard at all. In my mind, if I were a hard driver, I would have experienced similar wear and tear on my other 2 G's. If anything, I'm a much more conservative driver as I approach my 50's.
Infiniti uses 3 different types of Potenzas. The other Pole Position Petenza's on the Journey edition has a wear (composite) rating of 400 with a 40K mile rating.
My biggest concern are the warped rotors and braking issues.
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In the interest of correctness and clarity, the rotors very likely aren't warped. They have uneven pad deposits that are causing the vibration. It's not that uncommon. Actual warping is very uncommon on the rotors of modern street cars. My wife has an 09 sedan and it has the same issue at 45K miles as I mentioned in another thread. All it requires is having the rotors machined a little bit to clean off the rotor friction surface. Perhaps switching to a different brake pad may help, the ones uses on your car now may have a different composition than the ones on your earlier G's causing different wear characteristics.
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The general consensus I've gathered here on the forum (and from BB here) is that Michelin PSS are a better tire, lasting 2x to 3x longer.
Just saying for the OP's info.