I'm hating the Bose right now. Seriously
02-22-2011, 01:18 AM
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Sadly, I am here to report that I spoke to a very experienced car audio tech this afternoon on a different matter and brought up the Bose matter to him. He told me that it's just the way the cars are designed. From what I've been able to gather, this seems to be a prevalent problem in the Coupe variant, and not so much the Sadan. The reason is because the Sadan has a much higher probability for transporting people in the back seat, therefor are capable of producing adequate sound in the back. The Coupe is far more front focused. And it is designed for the casual listener and not the more honed ears. That all having been said, there isn't much that can be done. You would have to rebuild the sound system from the ground up, as none of there parts are compatible with absolutely any other product. I think the smart solution is to simply add a sub in the trunk. Not necessarily a big one, just one to offer a little more 'oomph!" Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
02-22-2011, 05:21 AM
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Hmmm... After reading through this thread I have to say that some people either don't have the bose system or something went terribly wrong with your system. The bass sounds magnificent in my car. Everything is well balanced with the exception of needing another 10 inch woofer on the reardeck to give a littler more depth. People are complaining about the bass coming from the front doors... Well those are 10 inch subs in the doors, thats what they are made for. and the only system that sounds muddy to me is the stock system in the g. Once you hear that, you will be grateful you opted for the bose. I come from a maxima with an after market system that was pushing over 4000 watts but the bose still sounds more refined to me. With the windows up it sounds even better. Someone made an interesting statement about the problem being more in the coupe, maybe we can get a poll started. Also the only crappy bose system I've ever heard was in the gm cars mainly chevy.
02-24-2011, 06:23 PM
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Hmmm... After reading through this thread I have to say that some people either don't have the bose system or something went terribly wrong with your system. The bass sounds magnificent in my car. Everything is well balanced with the exception of needing another 10 inch woofer on the reardeck to give a littler more depth. People are complaining about the bass coming from the front doors... Well those are 10 inch subs in the doors, thats what they are made for. and the only system that sounds muddy to me is the stock system in the g. Once you hear that, you will be grateful you opted for the bose. I come from a maxima with an after market system that was pushing over 4000 watts but the bose still sounds more refined to me. With the windows up it sounds even better. Someone made an interesting statement about the problem being more in the coupe, maybe we can get a poll started. Also the only crappy bose system I've ever heard was in the gm cars mainly chevy.
There's a reason why door speakers are not supposed to produce the entire frequency range like they do. Because that's what makes them sound "muddy". When a mid-range speaker is playing a 120Hz bass note, it can't hit a mid note (~400Hz) with the same clarity as if that 120Hz note had been stripped from the signal with a crossover. A good component stereo system should have mid range speakers playing ONLY mid-range notes. Anything below about 200Hz (depending on subwoofer size and box type), is not mid-range, and should be produced by a subwoofer. From my analysis of this stereo, there is no frequency filtering (crossovers) except in the subwoofer amp, and inline passive crossovers to the tweeters. The lack of frequency filtering to the mid-range speakers, will make the mids sound like crap.
I install professional car stereos on the side. I've been doing it for people since before I was legally allowed to drive (almost 17 years). I've replaced every POS stock stereo from Bose to JBL to Rockford Fosgate. Even replaced the Bose stereo in my Boss' Z06 Vette shortly after he bought it. It was the same awful setup of putting a 10" PAPER SUBWOOFER (not a high quality polypropylene mid-range woofer) in the door. I even used to help a few people prepare for IASCA competitions back in the late 90's.
For those of you that aren't audiophiles, you won't notice how horrible the Bose system sounds compared to a properly installed and tuned system set up by someone who knows what they are doing, and that uses high quality equipment. For someone like me who does nothing but listen to high quality audio systems all the time, listening to this Bose system in the G37 is just disappointing and needs a replacement. I've already started choosing components for when I replace this one, and I've only had the car for 9 days. To each his own, but I need more than this.
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02-24-2011, 09:20 PM
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^^^^TRUE compared to my home theater the bose in my car sounds like shiet but compared to my ford escape it sounds good.. i might upgrade the speakers one day
02-25-2011, 03:08 PM
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I have to say my bose is very good for a stock system. I had a loaner G sedan with stock audio and that was really horrible. You guys should go sit in one for 10 minutes and you'll run back to your bose to stop the ear bleeding. I like bass, so guess what I do? ...I turn the bass up on the eq, the sound is always clean even turned up high, and it thumps. If you guys wanna be the guy your neighbors can hear you coming off the highway exit, go after market.
02-26-2011, 12:48 AM
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I have an M-Audio BX10 system at home and I'm not disappointed with the G37s audio setup in comparison. However I do agree that at higher volumes the bass does not keep up.
Doesn't bother me since I'll never stick a heavy amp and SW in the car when I've already installed a Braille and even removed the spare tire to cut weight!
Doesn't bother me since I'll never stick a heavy amp and SW in the car when I've already installed a Braille and even removed the spare tire to cut weight!
02-26-2011, 12:59 AM
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People with a lack of depth in car stereo knowledge, always refer to wattage like it's what makes or breaks a system. Like 4kw is what makes a stereo system good. Wattage has nothing to do with sound clarity and overall balanced sound. That comes from an amplifier that uses high quality components, and an installer competent enough to know how to correctly tune the amp to the speakers installed.
There's a reason why door speakers are not supposed to produce the entire frequency range like they do. Because that's what makes them sound "muddy". When a mid-range speaker is playing a 120Hz bass note, it can't hit a mid note (~400Hz) with the same clarity as if that 120Hz note had been stripped from the signal with a crossover. A good component stereo system should have mid range speakers playing ONLY mid-range notes. Anything below about 200Hz (depending on subwoofer size and box type), is not mid-range, and should be produced by a subwoofer. From my analysis of this stereo, there is no frequency filtering (crossovers) except in the subwoofer amp, and inline passive crossovers to the tweeters. The lack of frequency filtering to the mid-range speakers, will make the mids sound like crap.
I install professional car stereos on the side. I've been doing it for people since before I was legally allowed to drive (almost 17 years). I've replaced every POS stock stereo from Bose to JBL to Rockford Fosgate. Even replaced the Bose stereo in my Boss' Z06 Vette shortly after he bought it. It was the same awful setup of putting a 10" PAPER SUBWOOFER (not a high quality polypropylene mid-range woofer) in the door. I even used to help a few people prepare for IASCA competitions back in the late 90's.
For those of you that aren't audiophiles, you won't notice how horrible the Bose system sounds compared to a properly installed and tuned system set up by someone who knows what they are doing, and that uses high quality equipment. For someone like me who does nothing but listen to high quality audio systems all the time, listening to this Bose system in the G37 is just disappointing and needs a replacement. I've already started choosing components for when I replace this one, and I've only had the car for 9 days. To each his own, but I need more than this.
/rant
There's a reason why door speakers are not supposed to produce the entire frequency range like they do. Because that's what makes them sound "muddy". When a mid-range speaker is playing a 120Hz bass note, it can't hit a mid note (~400Hz) with the same clarity as if that 120Hz note had been stripped from the signal with a crossover. A good component stereo system should have mid range speakers playing ONLY mid-range notes. Anything below about 200Hz (depending on subwoofer size and box type), is not mid-range, and should be produced by a subwoofer. From my analysis of this stereo, there is no frequency filtering (crossovers) except in the subwoofer amp, and inline passive crossovers to the tweeters. The lack of frequency filtering to the mid-range speakers, will make the mids sound like crap.
I install professional car stereos on the side. I've been doing it for people since before I was legally allowed to drive (almost 17 years). I've replaced every POS stock stereo from Bose to JBL to Rockford Fosgate. Even replaced the Bose stereo in my Boss' Z06 Vette shortly after he bought it. It was the same awful setup of putting a 10" PAPER SUBWOOFER (not a high quality polypropylene mid-range woofer) in the door. I even used to help a few people prepare for IASCA competitions back in the late 90's.
For those of you that aren't audiophiles, you won't notice how horrible the Bose system sounds compared to a properly installed and tuned system set up by someone who knows what they are doing, and that uses high quality equipment. For someone like me who does nothing but listen to high quality audio systems all the time, listening to this Bose system in the G37 is just disappointing and needs a replacement. I've already started choosing components for when I replace this one, and I've only had the car for 9 days. To each his own, but I need more than this.
/rant
This is what the true value of the Forum is really about. Having a knowledgable audio specialist on board to help us improve our stock systems and kick out some serious sounds. Step up to the plate and help us out!
02-26-2011, 01:25 AM
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People with a lack of depth in car stereo knowledge, always refer to wattage like it's what makes or breaks a system. Like 4kw is what makes a stereo system good. Wattage has nothing to do with sound clarity and overall balanced sound. That comes from an amplifier that uses high quality components, and an installer competent enough to know how to correctly tune the amp to the speakers installed.
There's a reason why door speakers are not supposed to produce the entire frequency range like they do. Because that's what makes them sound "muddy". When a mid-range speaker is playing a 120Hz bass note, it can't hit a mid note (~400Hz) with the same clarity as if that 120Hz note had been stripped from the signal with a crossover. A good component stereo system should have mid range speakers playing ONLY mid-range notes. Anything below about 200Hz (depending on subwoofer size and box type), is not mid-range, and should be produced by a subwoofer. From my analysis of this stereo, there is no frequency filtering (crossovers) except in the subwoofer amp, and inline passive crossovers to the tweeters. The lack of frequency filtering to the mid-range speakers, will make the mids sound like crap.
I install professional car stereos on the side. I've been doing it for people since before I was legally allowed to drive (almost 17 years). I've replaced every POS stock stereo from Bose to JBL to Rockford Fosgate. Even replaced the Bose stereo in my Boss' Z06 Vette shortly after he bought it. It was the same awful setup of putting a 10" PAPER SUBWOOFER (not a high quality polypropylene mid-range woofer) in the door. I even used to help a few people prepare for IASCA competitions back in the late 90's.
For those of you that aren't audiophiles, you won't notice how horrible the Bose system sounds compared to a properly installed and tuned system set up by someone who knows what they are doing, and that uses high quality equipment. For someone like me who does nothing but listen to high quality audio systems all the time, listening to this Bose system in the G37 is just disappointing and needs a replacement. I've already started choosing components for when I replace this one, and I've only had the car for 9 days. To each his own, but I need more than this.
/rant
There's a reason why door speakers are not supposed to produce the entire frequency range like they do. Because that's what makes them sound "muddy". When a mid-range speaker is playing a 120Hz bass note, it can't hit a mid note (~400Hz) with the same clarity as if that 120Hz note had been stripped from the signal with a crossover. A good component stereo system should have mid range speakers playing ONLY mid-range notes. Anything below about 200Hz (depending on subwoofer size and box type), is not mid-range, and should be produced by a subwoofer. From my analysis of this stereo, there is no frequency filtering (crossovers) except in the subwoofer amp, and inline passive crossovers to the tweeters. The lack of frequency filtering to the mid-range speakers, will make the mids sound like crap.
I install professional car stereos on the side. I've been doing it for people since before I was legally allowed to drive (almost 17 years). I've replaced every POS stock stereo from Bose to JBL to Rockford Fosgate. Even replaced the Bose stereo in my Boss' Z06 Vette shortly after he bought it. It was the same awful setup of putting a 10" PAPER SUBWOOFER (not a high quality polypropylene mid-range woofer) in the door. I even used to help a few people prepare for IASCA competitions back in the late 90's.
For those of you that aren't audiophiles, you won't notice how horrible the Bose system sounds compared to a properly installed and tuned system set up by someone who knows what they are doing, and that uses high quality equipment. For someone like me who does nothing but listen to high quality audio systems all the time, listening to this Bose system in the G37 is just disappointing and needs a replacement. I've already started choosing components for when I replace this one, and I've only had the car for 9 days. To each his own, but I need more than this.
/rant
And where are you located and will you post a specific upgrade process thread with complete detailed DIY information? I am certain that there are many members of the Forum that would like to be included in this type of information posting.
This is what the true value of the Forum is really about. Having a knowledgable audio specialist on board to help us improve our stock systems and kick out some serious sounds. Step up to the plate and help us out!
This is what the true value of the Forum is really about. Having a knowledgable audio specialist on board to help us improve our stock systems and kick out some serious sounds. Step up to the plate and help us out!
I counted four fundamental errors in his rant, your going to trust his DIY??
02-26-2011, 04:55 AM
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People with a lack of depth in car stereo knowledge, always refer to wattage like it's what makes or breaks a system. Like 4kw is what makes a stereo system good. Wattage has nothing to do with sound clarity and overall balanced sound. That comes from an amplifier that uses high quality components, and an installer competent enough to know how to correctly tune the amp to the speakers installed.
There's a reason why door speakers are not supposed to produce the entire frequency range like they do. Because that's what makes them sound "muddy". When a mid-range speaker is playing a 120Hz bass note, it can't hit a mid note (~400Hz) with the same clarity as if that 120Hz note had been stripped from the signal with a crossover. A good component stereo system should have mid range speakers playing ONLY mid-range notes. Anything below about 200Hz (depending on subwoofer size and box type), is not mid-range, and should be produced by a subwoofer. From my analysis of this stereo, there is no frequency filtering (crossovers) except in the subwoofer amp, and inline passive crossovers to the tweeters. The lack of frequency filtering to the mid-range speakers, will make the mids sound like crap.
I install professional car stereos on the side. I've been doing it for people since before I was legally allowed to drive (almost 17 years). I've replaced every POS stock stereo from Bose to JBL to Rockford Fosgate. Even replaced the Bose stereo in my Boss' Z06 Vette shortly after he bought it. It was the same awful setup of putting a 10" PAPER SUBWOOFER (not a high quality polypropylene mid-range woofer) in the door. I even used to help a few people prepare for IASCA competitions back in the late 90's.
For those of you that aren't audiophiles, you won't notice how horrible the Bose system sounds compared to a properly installed and tuned system set up by someone who knows what they are doing, and that uses high quality equipment. For someone like me who does nothing but listen to high quality audio systems all the time, listening to this Bose system in the G37 is just disappointing and needs a replacement. I've already started choosing components for when I replace this one, and I've only had the car for 9 days. To each his own, but I need more than this.
/rant
There's a reason why door speakers are not supposed to produce the entire frequency range like they do. Because that's what makes them sound "muddy". When a mid-range speaker is playing a 120Hz bass note, it can't hit a mid note (~400Hz) with the same clarity as if that 120Hz note had been stripped from the signal with a crossover. A good component stereo system should have mid range speakers playing ONLY mid-range notes. Anything below about 200Hz (depending on subwoofer size and box type), is not mid-range, and should be produced by a subwoofer. From my analysis of this stereo, there is no frequency filtering (crossovers) except in the subwoofer amp, and inline passive crossovers to the tweeters. The lack of frequency filtering to the mid-range speakers, will make the mids sound like crap.
I install professional car stereos on the side. I've been doing it for people since before I was legally allowed to drive (almost 17 years). I've replaced every POS stock stereo from Bose to JBL to Rockford Fosgate. Even replaced the Bose stereo in my Boss' Z06 Vette shortly after he bought it. It was the same awful setup of putting a 10" PAPER SUBWOOFER (not a high quality polypropylene mid-range woofer) in the door. I even used to help a few people prepare for IASCA competitions back in the late 90's.
For those of you that aren't audiophiles, you won't notice how horrible the Bose system sounds compared to a properly installed and tuned system set up by someone who knows what they are doing, and that uses high quality equipment. For someone like me who does nothing but listen to high quality audio systems all the time, listening to this Bose system in the G37 is just disappointing and needs a replacement. I've already started choosing components for when I replace this one, and I've only had the car for 9 days. To each his own, but I need more than this.
/rant
02-27-2011, 05:51 AM
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I suppose its possible, but I spoke to a car installer at a social function the other night and he explained to me what I've been suspecting all along, that the Bose systems for 2 door cars is just very driver focused and just not the same calibur of quality that we enjoy in Bose home theater.