Help Lowest offsets I can run on a Sedan Sport with BBK?

Old Mar 9, 2013 | 12:16 PM
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Question Lowest offsets I can run on a Sedan Sport with BBK?

Trying to decide on wheel offsets, but there are so many different combinations guys are running. I'm looking into the Vertini Hennesey. I have an 09 RWD Sedan Sport with the Akebono brakes lowered on Tanabe NF 210s. I just wanna buy wheels that I can just slap on without adding camber kits or spacers or pull fenders and be able to clear the brakes and not rub the fenders. But I want the lowest possible offset they offer without having the wheels sticking out too far. Some slight poke is welcome.

I plan on running 20x8.5 with 245/35 (Front) and 20x10 with 275/30 (Rear), but am open to suggestions as well.

For the fronts, they offer +20, +25, and +35. They recommend +35.
For the rears, they offer +25, +35, +45. They recommend +45 (Seems too high).


What would you guys suggest?

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Old Mar 9, 2013 | 01:52 PM
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Before doing anything confirm that the wheels themselves will clear the Akebonos. CZP has this template if you weren't aware of it.
http://www.conceptzperformance.com/i...nttemplate.pdf

I've got 20x10 flush in the rear w/ in spec camber, lower than your springs running 295s w/ +45 offset. With 275s you should be able to get by w/ +35.
I'm running the same 245s as you're wanting in the front w/ +40 but have about 10mm to the fender. I'm pretty low so rubbing that non rolled front fender was an issue. With your milder drop you should be OK w/ offset around +32.

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Old Mar 9, 2013 | 01:57 PM
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Before doing anything confirm that the wheels themselves will clear the Akebonos. CZP has this template if you weren't aware of it.
http://www.conceptzperformance.com/i...nttemplate.pdf

I've got 20x10 flush in the rear w/ in spec camber, lower than your springs running 295s w/ +45 camber. With 275s you should be able to get by w/ +35.
Yeah, I confirmed they clear already by seeing them on other G's. I know this doesn't tell whether they used a spacer or not, but this one pic is from a vendor of these wheels that sells them as fitting this vehicle (without modification).





And here's another member that has them, but in 19"!

https://www.myg37.com/forums/g37-cou...ssey-rims.html

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Old Mar 11, 2013 | 01:24 PM
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It's more than just offsets. I suggest confirming that their highest offset will fit over the Akebonos, that way you can then choose lower offsets depending on preference.

I've had various sized wheels with offsets ranging from 24 to 38, widths from 8.5 to 9.5 and they've all cleared. One 8.5+35 had way more clearance than my other 8.5+24.

x10 +45 is fine for rears, especially if you plan on going 285s or 295s and want closer to spec camber.
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Old Mar 11, 2013 | 09:18 PM
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It's more than just offsets. I suggest confirming that their highest offset will fit over the Akebonos, that way you can then choose lower offsets depending on preference.

I've had various sized wheels with offsets ranging from 24 to 38, widths from 8.5 to 9.5 and they've all cleared. One 8.5+35 had way more clearance than my other 8.5+24.

x10 +45 is fine for rears, especially if you plan on going 285s or 295s and want closer to spec camber.

Hmmm, I found a few vendors on here that sell them. They sell them with
Coupe Fitment:

● 20x8.5 +20mm
● 20x10 +25mm

Sedan Fitment:

● 19x8.5 +35mm
● 19x9.5 +35mm
● 20x8.5 +35mm
● 20x10 +35mm

What is it that give the coupe and sedan different offset suggestions? Also, would the coupe fitment wheels fit a sedan nicely, fender wise?
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Old Mar 11, 2013 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ Hellfire
Hmmm, I found a few vendors on here that sell them. They sell them with


What is it that give the coupe and sedan different offset suggestions? Also, would the coupe fitment wheels fit a sedan nicely, fender wise?
The coupes have more aggressive offsets since they have a slightly wider stance. The stock sedan wheels would be sunken in the fenderwells on a coupe and the stock coupe wheels would be further out on the sedan.
Coupe offsets will work on a sedan for the narrower wheels, when you get to the 10" and wider wheels the offsets in the 20s will be out to the fenderwells (or even further if you're not lowered).
What you really need to ask is do you want a setup that you can run in spec at factory camber specs if you're lowered and will they clear your BBK.
Many rims that appear to clear BBK won't since their spokes are deeper in the barrel and going w/ sedan offsets (spokes closer to the inside of the rim) make it harder.
Like Mike mentioned, it's best to find the wheel that will clear w/ sedan offsets then get more aggressive offsets if you want them. Much better than finding a wheel that only works w/ offsets that are too aggressive to give you the proper fit at the fender. There are plenty of nice wheels that have both the offset that you want and will clear the BBK, but there are many more wheels that won't clear the BBK or will be too far out to give you reasonable fender clearance.
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Old Mar 11, 2013 | 09:45 PM
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The coupes have more aggressive offsets since they have a slightly wider stance. The stock sedan wheels would be sunken in the fenderwells on a coupe and the stock coupe wheels would be further out on the sedan.
Coupe offsets will work on a sedan for the narrower wheels, when you get to the 10" and wider wheels the offsets in the 20s will be out to the fenderwells (or even further if you're not lowered).
What you really need to ask is do you want a setup that you can run in spec at factory camber specs if you're lowered and will they clear your BBK.
Many rims that appear to clear BBK won't since their spokes are deeper in the barrel and going w/ sedan offsets (spokes closer to the inside of the rim) make it harder.
Like Mike mentioned, it's best to find the wheel that will clear w/ sedan offsets then get more aggressive offsets if you want them. Much better than finding a wheel that only works w/ offsets that are too aggressive to give you the proper fit at the fender. There are plenty of nice wheels that have both the offset that you want and will clear the BBK, but there are many more wheels that won't clear the BBK or will be too far out to give you reasonable fender clearance.

I've already verified the wheels clear! Like I said, there are vendors on here that sell these wheels for out cars with those offsets I mentioned above. Plus, they even have a sedan on their site modeling the wheels. I was just wondering how aggressive I can go with my NF210's and 8.5"/10", which you just answered. Thanks!



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Originally Posted by DJ Hellfire
I've already verified the wheels clear! Like I said, there are vendors on here that sell these wheels for out cars with those offsets I mentioned above. Plus, they even have a sedan on their site modeling the wheels. I was just wondering how aggressive I can go with my NF210's and 8.5"/10", which you just answered. Thanks!



That sedan has the smaller Journey brakes, not the BBK. At any rate, sounds like you're doing your homework and asking the right questions to the vendor. Look forward to hearing what you end up with.
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Old Mar 12, 2013 | 08:51 AM
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That sedan has the smaller Journey brakes, not the BBK. At any rate, sounds like you're doing your homework and asking the right questions to the vendor. Look forward to hearing what you end up with.
Yeah true! Well, the good thing is I ordered them through a local rim shop because it only cost me like an extra $100 or so than the lowest I found online, and that was only because of tax. Without the tax my rim guy beat the lowest online price I found. Even that extra $100 it cost me would have been spent in installation and lug nuts, which is all included with what I paid. So if the offsets he get's don't fit, it's easily exchangeable! Trying to get this all squared away early so they are ready to install once this weather breaks!
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Old Mar 12, 2013 | 09:44 AM
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Brad hit the nail on the head.

Btw, i'm sure you already know this, but for those uninformed. Even if that pic below were on Akebono's, take the size and offsets on any model shots with a grain of salt. For one thing, that sedan is dropped very low. By nature of it, the wheels will tuck in more. Tuck = camber = more fender clearance.

Brad's set-up is very nice, especially with the 295s in the rear. Ah, someday i wish to follow in his footsteps.

Originally Posted by DJ Hellfire
I've already verified the wheels clear! Like I said, there are vendors on here that sell these wheels for out cars with those offsets I mentioned above. Plus, they even have a sedan on their site modeling the wheels. I was just wondering how aggressive I can go with my NF210's and 8.5"/10", which you just answered. Thanks!



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Old Mar 12, 2013 | 10:19 AM
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FYI: I have a Journey Sport Sedan and Forgeline (a custom forge wheel company) recommended these wheel sizes and offset for me;
Originally Posted by Forgeline
19x9 +40mm fitting the front. The 10.5 +52mm rear.
With that said I'm in the market for wheels as well. However the wheels I'm looking at I can pick my sizing & offsets. I'm leaning towards 19's. A 9.5 +32-40 & 10.5 +45.
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Originally Posted by Robert_K
FYI: I have a Journey Sport Sedan and Forgeline (a custom forge wheel company) recommended these wheel sizes and offset for me;

With that said I'm in the market for wheels as well. However the wheels I'm looking at I can pick my sizing & offsets. I'm leaning towards 19's. A 9.5 +32-40 & 10.5 +45.
+52? Looks like you're not the only one who likes fat tires. You could probably fit 305s, 315s or 325s back there!
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Old Mar 12, 2013 | 07:32 PM
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So yeah, these rims are not gonna fit the sedan with the brakes. So I have to pick something else that will work. My guy said the offsets would be too aggressive and they would rub like crazy. Any suggestions? Not trying to go over $2400 with tires.
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Originally Posted by soundmike
+52? Looks like you're not the only one who likes fat tires. You could probably fit 305s, 315s or 325s back there!
Actually I emailed them saying I wanted to run a 19x9.5 & 10.5 with 255/40 & 285/35 tires and that is what they came up with.

Originally Posted by DJ Hellfire
So yeah, these rims are not gonna fit the sedan with the brakes. So I have to pick something else that will work. My guy said the offsets would be too aggressive and they would rub like crazy. Any suggestions? Not trying to go over $2400 with tires.
It's so much the brake clearance with offset but the height of the wheel. Offset determines where the wheel is going to sit inside the wheel-well.

Wheel Tech - Offset

Wheel Tech - How We Know What Fits
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Old Mar 12, 2013 | 09:31 PM
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Actually I emailed them saying I wanted to run a 19x9.5 & 10.5 with 255/40 & 285/35 tires and that is what they came up with.



It's so much the brake clearance with offset but the height of the wheel. Offset determines where the wheel is going to sit inside the wheel-well.

Wheel Tech - Offset

Wheel Tech - How We Know What Fits


Yeah, I know what offsets are. But a lot of times it's the spoke design. Take the 08 sedan S wheels vs the 09 sedan S wheels. Same width, same diameter, same offsets, but the 08 wheels don't clear the Akebono's. So it's kinda hard to just go by the math in cases like this!

However, this guy pictured below is running DPE wheels in coupe offsets on front of his sedan with the big brakes and has room in the front to go more aggressive. He's running a 20x9 +26 with no problems in the front. So I'm sure I can run the 20x8.5 +20 Vertini's on the front with no issues (these clear the brakes). With the +20 Vertini's, that would only push the front out an extra 1/4" as compared to the +26. Plus, the 1/2" less wide Vertini wheel should make up for the slightly lower offset. However, on his rear, he's running a 20x10 +32 and only rubs with people in the back. I'm thinking if I run the 20x10 +45, that'll push my wheel another 1/2" into the body as compared to this guy's +32 wheels. That 1/2 should be enough to prevent me from rubbing with or without rear passengers. Plus, I'm not slammed like he is! Only problem is I don't know if the +45 will clear the rear caliper. What you guys think? Vertini says they've tried this and couldn't make it work. But the math makes that hard to believe!



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