All Season 17"
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Looking at the surveys of the HP 225/55-17 tire choices one would think the Goodyear Eagle RS-A is a terrible tire. We say the Yoko ENVigor is not that great on ice, but it gets a 5.8 rating by consumers compared to a 3.2 for the RS-A.
Is the RS-A really that bad, or do most folks love to beat up their OEM tires in the reviews?
I haven't had the opportunity to drive my RS-A's on the ice very much and now they're approaching end of life, but they don't seem like terrible tires.
My point here is that even if the ENVigors are not that great on ice, they are much better rated than the RS-A's, and I don't think the RS-A's are all that bad.
And sure the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus is a great tire, but at $50 MORE per tire ($32.50 more per tire with the current $70 rebate offer), are they really worth it when the Yoko is a big improvement to start with? Those ratings are sweet, though... high in most all categories. But again, is that biased toward folks justifying the extra money they spent?
It seems like only controlled lab tests with specific vehicle weights and sheer point force measurements at set speeds and moisture levels for cornering tests, microphones for noise, long life rolling tests for distance, and rolling resistance measurements for fuel economy is the only way to really measure and scientifically compare this stuff. When left to individual experiences it can greatly vary, and even emotion can be part of that.
I think I'll just go with the Yokos!
Is the RS-A really that bad, or do most folks love to beat up their OEM tires in the reviews?
I haven't had the opportunity to drive my RS-A's on the ice very much and now they're approaching end of life, but they don't seem like terrible tires.
My point here is that even if the ENVigors are not that great on ice, they are much better rated than the RS-A's, and I don't think the RS-A's are all that bad.
And sure the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus is a great tire, but at $50 MORE per tire ($32.50 more per tire with the current $70 rebate offer), are they really worth it when the Yoko is a big improvement to start with? Those ratings are sweet, though... high in most all categories. But again, is that biased toward folks justifying the extra money they spent?
It seems like only controlled lab tests with specific vehicle weights and sheer point force measurements at set speeds and moisture levels for cornering tests, microphones for noise, long life rolling tests for distance, and rolling resistance measurements for fuel economy is the only way to really measure and scientifically compare this stuff. When left to individual experiences it can greatly vary, and even emotion can be part of that.
I think I'll just go with the Yokos!
Just keep in mind that the Yokos are softer and alright on ice. The Michellins handle better and work well on ice. The DWSs are pretty close to the Michellins. And pricing actually reflects their performance - you get what you pay for.
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I've had personal experience with the Pirelli PZero Nero M&S -- had 235/45R17s on my previous car, a BMW 540i (rwd). They've been out in ~6" of snow many times and do really well. I think my only complaint about the tires is their lifespan -- mine only lasted 40K miles. That said, perhaps my expectations are too high, as I like to corner hard and wasn't particularly thorough about maintaining the tires. All in all, if I were to grab another set of all-weather tires, I'd get the Pirellis again. Why mess with success, right? I hope that helps.
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Anyone have any idea why the Michelin website would not recommend the Pilot Sport A/S Plus for a 2009 G37 Sedan Journey?
Click here, then choose "Find If This Tire Will Fit My Vehicle"
Pilot Sport A/S Plus | Michelin Tires
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Click here, then choose "Find If This Tire Will Fit My Vehicle"
Pilot Sport A/S Plus | Michelin Tires
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Anyone have any idea why the Michelin website would not recommend the Pilot Sport A/S Plus for a 2009 G37 Sedan Journey?
Click here, then choose "Find If This Tire Will Fit My Vehicle"
Pilot Sport A/S Plus | Michelin Tires
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Click here, then choose "Find If This Tire Will Fit My Vehicle"
Pilot Sport A/S Plus | Michelin Tires
??
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Tell me what your research finds because I'm in the same boat. I was leaning heavy toward the 245/50-17 DWS but now thinking money is no object and leaning toward the Pilot Sport in a 225/55 size. I can't make up my mind. Oh.. and those Pilot Sports in the 245/50 are $220, not cheap!
Tell me what your research finds because I'm in the same boat. I was leaning heavy toward the 245/50-17 DWS but now thinking money is no object and leaning toward the Pilot Sport in a 225/55 size. I can't make up my mind. Oh.. and those Pilot Sports in the 245/50 are $220, not cheap!
I've also heard about the General G-Max tires. Mostly possitive reviews, but, not very many reviews and little customer feedback at Tirerack so far.
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Still, I agree, it may be the tire to buy. I was sold on the Yokos but now, I dunno... it changes weekly.
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Dunlop Sport Maxx TT wins another comparison test. These have to be the best performance tires (max summer) that come in standard sedan non-sport sizes.
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Dunlop Sport Maxx TT wins another comparison test. These have to be the best performance tires (max summer) that come in standard sedan non-sport sizes.
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The interesting take from the article is that summer tires kick *** in the wet (and dry of course). Thus, the article suggests all-season tires tend to give up a ton of performance in both wet and dry conditions to summer tires. In return, all-season tires give you peace of mind and decent (not great) performance for those few of weeks of icy roads in Dallas every year.
Have you considered running all-season tires from November through March, and summer tires from April through October?
CougarRed;
I wish I could find an index / comparison of all tires / types traction, noise etc. against one benchmark. We could see how much traction or ride comfort we are giving up or gaining via summer / AS etc. Some time back I remember seeing a machine that tested tire noise by rolling a tire against vertical cylinders with different surfaces at high speed. The numbers must be out there somewhere given all the testing manufactures do?
Tirerack reviews are great and very helpful when a consumer has limited their choice to one type of tire e.g. summer, AS etc. But, some may want winter / summer sets of tires if the trade-offs between the two are significant and important.
I wish I could find an index / comparison of all tires / types traction, noise etc. against one benchmark. We could see how much traction or ride comfort we are giving up or gaining via summer / AS etc. Some time back I remember seeing a machine that tested tire noise by rolling a tire against vertical cylinders with different surfaces at high speed. The numbers must be out there somewhere given all the testing manufactures do?
Tirerack reviews are great and very helpful when a consumer has limited their choice to one type of tire e.g. summer, AS etc. But, some may want winter / summer sets of tires if the trade-offs between the two are significant and important.
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Good point. This article demonstrates how poorly summer tires do in snow. Dallas gets 1.8 inches of snow per year. I assume that's enough to make summer tires a no go for year round use.
Have you considered running all-season tires from November through March, and summer tires from April through October?
Have you considered running all-season tires from November through March, and summer tires from April through October?
I don't think two sets of tires would work for me, one, I'm too cheap, and two, my wife would have a fit with an extra set sitting around the garage...
