admin intakes
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^ I'm sorry you took offense at my strong words but the claims are just too hard to digest.
Can you do a back to back with tuned car with stock intake, vs with admin intake? To me, that's an apples to apples comparison.
So fully tuned car, only difference is the intake. Or you can compare your intake with any other well established brand like Stillen Gen3 or Takeda, which are also long tube CAI; albeit not 3". Comparing your intake with another competitors's intake would be the best apples to apples comparison.
If gains are real, I might look into getting it for myself as well because 20whp is crazy.
Can you do a back to back with tuned car with stock intake, vs with admin intake? To me, that's an apples to apples comparison.
So fully tuned car, only difference is the intake. Or you can compare your intake with any other well established brand like Stillen Gen3 or Takeda, which are also long tube CAI; albeit not 3". Comparing your intake with another competitors's intake would be the best apples to apples comparison.
If gains are real, I might look into getting it for myself as well because 20whp is crazy.
And I already did that. That was the video of my coupe doing so. I also described in the description of the video what was kept constant as well as speaking on it on camera. No other hardware was changed. I had the same exhaust, test pipes, Y pipe, same fuel (93), similar IATs, ECTs and oil temperature as well.
My customers have made ~10-11whp more than Z1 and Injen intakes when tuned at other shops. This comes from either them or the tuner that tuned the car, so I do not have dyno sheets or other data to support this. That is one of the reasons why I do my own testing.
Thank you,
I asked the tuner and he said he changed the a/f ratio so they were pretty much the same on both runs. If you slap the new intake on and there's no change in a/f ratio, there's no change in flow. I would think the larger tubes would REQURE some tuning due to the airflow around the MAF sensor changing. I saw this on my Nismo R-Tune intake which is 2.75". Comes with venturi fixtures that neck down to stock diameter around the MAF. Take them out and, without tuning, the car doesn't run as well.
Just my $0.02:
I made 300 RWHP with just Takeda long tubes and an Uprev tune so it is possible to get good gains (10-15whp ish) with just intake + tune. How much of it can be credited to the intake vs the tune is debatable. My tuner has done back to back dyno runs and it seems to show the stock intakes are best.
As for Admin tuning intakes needing 70mm TBs, my buddy has 70MM TBs on his Z and did a back to back dyno with admin intakes. It was underwhelming so he got a refund on the intakes.
I made 300 RWHP with just Takeda long tubes and an Uprev tune so it is possible to get good gains (10-15whp ish) with just intake + tune. How much of it can be credited to the intake vs the tune is debatable. My tuner has done back to back dyno runs and it seems to show the stock intakes are best.
As for Admin tuning intakes needing 70mm TBs, my buddy has 70MM TBs on his Z and did a back to back dyno with admin intakes. It was underwhelming so he got a refund on the intakes.
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Just my $0.02:
I made 300 RWHP with just Takeda long tubes and an Uprev tune so it is possible to get good gains (10-15whp ish) with just intake + tune. How much of it can be credited to the intake vs the tune is debatable. My tuner has done back to back dyno runs and it seems to show the stock intakes are best.
As for Admin tuning intakes needing 70mm TBs, my buddy has 70MM TBs on his Z and did a back to back dyno with admin intakes. It was underwhelming so he got a refund on the intakes.
I made 300 RWHP with just Takeda long tubes and an Uprev tune so it is possible to get good gains (10-15whp ish) with just intake + tune. How much of it can be credited to the intake vs the tune is debatable. My tuner has done back to back dyno runs and it seems to show the stock intakes are best.
As for Admin tuning intakes needing 70mm TBs, my buddy has 70MM TBs on his Z and did a back to back dyno with admin intakes. It was underwhelming so he got a refund on the intakes.
I'd love the see a comparison between admin intake and any other long tube CAI.
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Vegas
Interested in this cai - was also looking at stillen 3 & typhoon
U know any good tuners in vegas & would stock tb be ok with admin cai
U know any good tuners in vegas & would stock tb be ok with admin cai
Strong words. 
First thing I'd like to address is having the hood up. I only kept the hood up because that's how you get RPM signal on the dyno.
Secondly. AFR was the same, this can be seen on the dyno chart for both runs, hovering right around ~12.7 or so. IGN, VVEL, Cam phasing was also the same. I did this specifically for the sake of science and for comments like these.
Thirdly. I tested these intakes on a bone stock car and made 22whp. I had to tune the air/fuel because the pipe is larger diameter than stock, without that, the car would not run. I stated that an AF correction will not make 22whp, any tuner knows this. But to further prove my point, I did this most recent test with the AFR the same between runs.
This video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhcYtV-dvjU&t=33s
Finally, these numbers are consistent on other cars with similar mods (and my intakes). You can see that on this video below. 6MT G37 coupe with the same exhaust as me, test pipes, AdminTuning intakes, tuned by me (on the street) and dyno'd on the same dyno, with similar IATs, and the same correction factor. It made 313whp on the first pull, and 309whp on the second pull. Aligns very similarly to the 311whp numbers my 7AT G37 coupe made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeAFX6Pcois
If anyone has more questions, post up.
Thanks,
First thing I'd like to address is having the hood up. I only kept the hood up because that's how you get RPM signal on the dyno.
Secondly. AFR was the same, this can be seen on the dyno chart for both runs, hovering right around ~12.7 or so. IGN, VVEL, Cam phasing was also the same. I did this specifically for the sake of science and for comments like these.
Thirdly. I tested these intakes on a bone stock car and made 22whp. I had to tune the air/fuel because the pipe is larger diameter than stock, without that, the car would not run. I stated that an AF correction will not make 22whp, any tuner knows this. But to further prove my point, I did this most recent test with the AFR the same between runs.
This video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhcYtV-dvjU&t=33s
Finally, these numbers are consistent on other cars with similar mods (and my intakes). You can see that on this video below. 6MT G37 coupe with the same exhaust as me, test pipes, AdminTuning intakes, tuned by me (on the street) and dyno'd on the same dyno, with similar IATs, and the same correction factor. It made 313whp on the first pull, and 309whp on the second pull. Aligns very similarly to the 311whp numbers my 7AT G37 coupe made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeAFX6Pcois
If anyone has more questions, post up.
Thanks,
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OK, obviously there is a particular reason. I'm getting a tune next Spring, six months from now. And I'm weighing options.
4DRZ here on this forum has a modified 6MT Sedan, with a remote UpRev tune from Z1 Motorsports. It's costing him more in time, money and discontent than he ever expected it would. Nearly a year later and he's still not right with the tune, and getting customer support from Z1 is like drilling a hole in your head.
Another friend of mine named Roger has an exhaust-modded Nismo-Z, and he had it remote tuned with EcuTek through Sebastian at Specialty-Z. It was a very positive experience, and he's happy as a clam. However, he shelled out dyno-tune kind of dollars. It wasn't cheap.
And in no less than two hours from right now, I'm going to go visit with a local race shop that I discovered here in Rochester just a few weeks ago. (Who knew? LOL) They say they can Dyno-tune my car with EcuTek software, and I want to learn more, get to know them, etc.
Dyno-tune vs. Remote tune, and UpRev vs. EcuTek.
Options, baby.
4DRZ here on this forum has a modified 6MT Sedan, with a remote UpRev tune from Z1 Motorsports. It's costing him more in time, money and discontent than he ever expected it would. Nearly a year later and he's still not right with the tune, and getting customer support from Z1 is like drilling a hole in your head.
Another friend of mine named Roger has an exhaust-modded Nismo-Z, and he had it remote tuned with EcuTek through Sebastian at Specialty-Z. It was a very positive experience, and he's happy as a clam. However, he shelled out dyno-tune kind of dollars. It wasn't cheap.
And in no less than two hours from right now, I'm going to go visit with a local race shop that I discovered here in Rochester just a few weeks ago. (Who knew? LOL) They say they can Dyno-tune my car with EcuTek software, and I want to learn more, get to know them, etc.
Dyno-tune vs. Remote tune, and UpRev vs. EcuTek.
Options, baby.
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OK, obviously there is a particular reason. I'm getting a tune next Spring, six months from now. And I'm weighing options.
4DRZ here on this forum has a modified 6MT Sedan, with a remote UpRev tune from Z1 Motorsports. It's costing him more in time, money and discontent than he ever expected it would. Nearly a year later and he's still not right with the tune, and getting customer support from Z1 is like drilling a hole in your head.
Another friend of mine named Roger has an exhaust-modded Nismo-Z, and he had it remote tuned with EcuTek through Sebastian at Specialty-Z. It was a very positive experience, and he's happy as a clam. However, he shelled out dyno-tune kind of dollars. It wasn't cheap.
And in no less than two hours from right now, I'm going to go visit with a local race shop that I discovered here in Rochester just a few weeks ago. (Who knew? LOL) They say they can Dyno-tune my car with EcuTek software, and I want to learn more, get to know them, etc.
Dyno-tune vs. Remote tune, and UpRev vs. EcuTek. Options, baby.
4DRZ here on this forum has a modified 6MT Sedan, with a remote UpRev tune from Z1 Motorsports. It's costing him more in time, money and discontent than he ever expected it would. Nearly a year later and he's still not right with the tune, and getting customer support from Z1 is like drilling a hole in your head.
Another friend of mine named Roger has an exhaust-modded Nismo-Z, and he had it remote tuned with EcuTek through Sebastian at Specialty-Z. It was a very positive experience, and he's happy as a clam. However, he shelled out dyno-tune kind of dollars. It wasn't cheap.
And in no less than two hours from right now, I'm going to go visit with a local race shop that I discovered here in Rochester just a few weeks ago. (Who knew? LOL) They say they can Dyno-tune my car with EcuTek software, and I want to learn more, get to know them, etc.
Dyno-tune vs. Remote tune, and UpRev vs. EcuTek.
Options, baby.As far as ECUTEK vs UpRev, for your car, it will not make a difference horsepower or driveability wise.
I actually took an ECUTEK tuned car tuned by another well known shop and made more power and a smoother curve with it when I used UpRev. There were no hardware changes on the car.
I have no issues remote tuning, but it's often times not a one day deal.
R/T Tuning and Kaizen Tuning are the two dyno shops on my short list. However, both are a 6 to 8 hour drive from Western New York. Finding this local shop (Berg Racing) might be exactly what I need.
)Totally understood. Collecting data logs, applying new maps... I think that could actually be fun.