[quote=QuickSilver08;2515229]I don't give a damn. They are exhaust kits. The tubing is cheap (not assuming stainless cause it's a waste of money down here), the flanges are cheap, and there can't be that much R&D involved. Take the stock exhaust off and lay it on the floor, take the new tubing and bend it to match, put it up there, tweak a little here and there, add a few hangers, done. Now the mufflers I'm sure do take time to R&D to make them sound right on these cars and that I'm definitely not doubting. But even still, I don't see why these systems cost $1200+. Ever tried to mandrel bend 5" pipe and then make it fit over an axle and around a tire with only 5 1/4" of clearance? Let's not for the R&D on those mufflers as well.

I just told you, but you didnt listen. Your smoking cat food if you think stainless steel is cheap. You can take it from someone who had has custom exhausts built. A lot of the very expensive kits are built in house and have a lot more money in materials than a system marketed by a company and manufactured by a vendor. Designing an exhaust and muffler isnt easy as you think. Not to sound like some smart ***, but I have a mechanical engineering degree and my emphasis was in vibro-acoustics and I have designed mufflers. There is a lot of work in this process. When engineers design we dont design by trial and error, we design using sound engineering practices and design it ONCE. Im not saying you cant designit yourself, but someone who isnt an engineeer is taking a guess until you get it on the dyno. Engineering isn't cheap. R&D goes into every aspect of a quility exhaust. To continue to sell your product you have to continually improve your product and be better than your competition, hence R&D. Do you have a clue how expensive a mandrel bender is that can bend 3" stainless?

 

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u are the ****ing man. u just typed everything i wanted to say. except that im not an engineer. lol. but yes ur totally right. thats why i didnt mind spending what i spent on my stillen exhaust.

 

I agree with both sides on this one. I wish I could buy the HKS for 400...maybe one day :sigh:

 

I agree exhast systems are expensive, but the only way you'll ever see an HKS system go for $400 is if the prices of SS drops through the floor. Material costs are at an all time high due to the fact that most of the raw material in the world has been mined and manufactured, and to the one that said SS is cheap.. Obviously someone speaking without having a ****ing clue

The materials alone in an HKS system EASILY approach $500..GUARANTEED

 

$1500 for 5rwhp and a mean sound isnt worth it to me. its up to each person though.

 

Who the hell wants 5" piping and a 6" tip on a G37 anyway? Save that for the F350 diesel dually. That's a different forum.

 

[quote=G_Thang;2515289]Excuse me. What I meant was not counting stainless cause I know it's expensive but it's a waste of money down here to use it. Sorry for that confusion. And I said muffler R&D is not cheap either. So yes, those two parts I understand add cost to the system. BUT, as far as R&D'ing the pipe design and everything else and if your using aluminized tubing instead of stainless, there shouldn't be that much cost. And I to have built and designed custom exhaust systems for more than just a truck so yes I know what goes in to fabbing up exhaust systems. Not the muffler part but the rest of it. And yes I do know how expensive a mandrel bender for 3" tubing is. Ever priced one for 5-6"? And what is there to continue to improve on an exhaust system other than the muffler? Maybe tweak a hanger here, a different style flange there? If yall wanna keep paying these insane prices go right on ahead. I ain't gonna stop you. But I'm telling you that your getting screwed and that these systems ain't worth it. Give me a coupe of months and I'll prove it.

 

Wasn't saying for these cars. I'd be impressed if a 5" pipe would fit under there.

 

Can we all hug and grab asses LOL!

 

As long as all of yall are 6' blondes weighing about 130lbs and are shaped like lindsay lohan then hell yes we can. LOL

 

I don't know what kind of exhaust is turbo back for $400. On my A4 I ran the Neuspeed Turbo back exhaust, Downpipe and all was still just under a grand. Millitek, APR and the others were even more. Our exhausts aren't super cheap, but if you notice the only ones producing exhausts are large tuners, you don't see the little knock off guys making them yet. But the simple Tanabe runs for aroud $750, even cheaper if you search. But HKS, FI, Amuse and some of the other yeah are a pretty penny, but look at the construction.

 

Maybe it's just me but all I care about is function. If it fits, doesn't leak, and sounds good, that's all I care about. I don't give a dang about polished pipes or pretty clamps. I'll never be able to see it anyways so why do I wanna pay for it. I'm already getting pricing for this and so far it's VERY promising.

 

so you still insist lol.. polished pipes don't rust as easy as the non polished.. meaning after a few dumps in the rain even though your car is an 08 your exhaust will look 01! you don't want an exhaust to make your car look cheap trust me.. no bashing intended there bro just giving you my 2 fils

 

Well part of the quality of part will determine how long it will last, the welds on the exhaust nearly perfect, and the fit and is nearly OEM. That's what your paying for.
You may say you don't care about the polish and such, but that's just going to help out the longevity, Neuspeed was aluminum I believe and in the rain the exhaust would rattle from the lack of heat on the expanding pipes. The materials used does matter.

 

Exactly.. How can ppl even begin to compare the two kits. Besides the fact.. Those kits are mild steel which is MMUUCCHH cheap than SS, let alone polished SS. Like comparing a Cobalt to a G37S