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Old Feb 10, 2022 | 09:28 PM
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toe adjustment maxed out, still not in spec

had to replace the spring perch, camber arms, sway bar and end links after hitting a barrier. got an alignment and they couldn't get the toe on the right in spec with the eccentric bolt maxed, the left is fine. they put excessive camber on the right wheel to get the toe in spec so i could get home without it wandering all over the place.

with my basic understanding i have a few options
get new traction arms, lateral arms, trailing arms, whatever you want to call it, to see if one of them was bent and wasn't noticeable
get an spc eccentric bolt which will add 2 degrees (would it be enough though)
get a new spring perch, maybe the one i put in there is warped a little, it was used
not sure how i would go about it but see if the subframe is bent, try and get it back to where it needs to be or replace it which would be $1200+
and since we talkin bout $1200 get true coilovers and toe arms

any other suggestions??

before alignment
LR camber .1° RR camber -1.4°
LR toe 3.32° RR toe 3.01°

after alignment

LR camber -2.3° RR camber -5.1°
LR toe .07° RR toe .08°

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Old Feb 10, 2022 | 10:04 PM
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If you’re handy and can do some measuring you can find out if the subframe is bent pretty easily. Measure from the toe link mount to a bolt or hole in the floor or something similar, compare sides. If the subframe is bent it should be replaced, but you could probably get the toe in spec by just changing toe arms, no need for coilovers as they done affect alignment much u less you’re ready to manipulate ride height as a means of camber adjustment.
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Old Feb 10, 2022 | 10:06 PM
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When you say toe arms you mean the spring perch or the traction arm in the front. From my understanding adding an adjustable traction arm to correct the toe will also throw the caster out of alignment so that’s something you wouldn’t want to do
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Old Feb 10, 2022 | 10:07 PM
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Or replace the spring perch with a toe arm, I’m also on lowering springs right now
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Old Feb 10, 2022 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wide boi
When you say toe arms you mean the spring perch or the traction arm in the front. From my understanding adding an adjustable traction arm to correct the toe will also throw the caster out of alignment so that’s something you wouldn’t want to do
You don’t have caster in the rear. Adjustable toe arm like this https://www.z1motorsports.com/z1-pro...880b431ef53e58
should solve your issue (I assumed you had a G37, please research your own parts and make sure they are correct for your vehicle). Spring perch is a camber adjustment.
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Old Feb 10, 2022 | 11:53 PM
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Sorry I might be stupid but what you linked goes where the spring goes and you have to use coilovers did you mean something like this ?https://www.z1motorsports.com/z1-pro...2bd73fb5fdc109
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Ponyryd
You don’t have caster in the rear. Adjustable toe arm like this https://www.z1motorsports.com/z1-pro...880b431ef53e58
should solve your issue (I assumed you had a G37, please research your own parts and make sure they are correct for your vehicle). Spring perch is a camber adjustment.
He can't replace the with a toe rod because he is running teh oem divorce setup. this setup uses the spring bucket. The spring bucket is also the source for toe adjustment.

The arm above the spring bucket is the camber arm.
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 09:38 AM
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Wide Boi, if you're on oem eccentric bolts, maybe give SPC toe bolts a shot. Its has a wider adjustment range over the OEM. you'll have to slot the subframe.
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by projectpanda13
He can't replace the with a toe rod because he is running teh oem divorce setup. this setup uses the spring bucket. The spring bucket is also the source for toe adjustment.

The arm above the spring bucket is the camber arm.
i ordered adjustable traction arms to push the toe out while keeping my camber in spec, on z1 it says you might need to get the traction arms to get toe back in spec if youre lowered
im just confused why they were able to get it on one side not the other. i measured the subframe in a few different areas both sides were the same i really dont know at this point.
ill give an update tomorrow when i get the parts installed
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by projectpanda13
Wide Boi, if you're on oem eccentric bolts, maybe give SPC toe bolts a shot. Its has a wider adjustment range over the OEM. you'll have to slot the subframe.
i was thinking about that as well but im not 100% sure that it would work i dont know how much my toe is off if my camber was in spec and the toe was maxed out if these traction arms dont solve the issue ill give it a shot. probably should have done it the other way around would have been cheaper lmao. i need to get a lockout kit for my camber arms too
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 10:58 AM
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As I said in your other thread try the SPC bolts first.

Traction arms are used to fine tune bump steer, caster, and wheelbase. Without an experienced alignment guy things can get out if wack.

Need Some Education: Toe Arms Vs Traction Arms - Page 2 - Nissan 370Z Forum
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 2.2Lude
As I said in your other thread try the SPC bolts first.

Traction arms are used to fine tune bump steer, caster, and wheelbase. Without an experienced alignment guy things can get out if wack.

Need Some Education: Toe Arms Vs Traction Arms - Page 2 - Nissan 370Z Forum
i ordered the toe bolts too, appreciate you
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 11:55 AM
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I have the SPC toe bolts on mines and camber arms.

I installed camber arms to help my camber but then toe was all over the place. Had to slot the spring perch/toe brackets and obtained amazing results.
Granted it was all eye aligned however it's been great so far, alignment soon.

These cars camber in when lowered and camber arms unlike the front move the bottom of the knuckle in or out.
Which means that any change in toe in the G will affect toe, same as your adjusting camber your toe will change.
So having great angles of adjustability in camber arms and toe bolts will get you straight.
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Old Feb 11, 2022 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by projectpanda13
He can't replace the with a toe rod because he is running teh oem divorce setup. this setup uses the spring bucket. The spring bucket is also the source for toe adjustment.

The arm above the spring bucket is the camber arm.
Ok then, I was using my own car for reference so it may be different (08X), but on mine there is a toe link ahead at the front, which is the toe adjustment (as in the Z1 link I posted), as well as a spring bucket/lower control arm, which is the camber adjustment.
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Old Feb 12, 2022 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Ponyryd
Ok then, I was using my own car for reference so it may be different (08X), but on mine there is a toe link ahead at the front, which is the toe adjustment (as in the Z1 link I posted), as well as a spring bucket/lower control arm, which is the camber adjustment.
just so we are on the same understanding, when you say the spring perch, you are referring to what the springs sit inside correct?

if so, it also states in the description of those toe rods from z1 that it replaced that perch/bucket.

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