Thoughts on Tint
10-04-2013, 01:35 PM
#31
First if all, I am not anti-tint. I am anti-illegal tint, like when some misguided owners who put 50% or more on their windshields. True, state tint laws vary, but using the absence of a federal law to argue that all tints are safe is an irrational leap with no merit.
All your other arguments about the joys of tint (helping glass not shattering, cooling the car’s interior, etc.) is often more rationalization to justify a recognized unsafe practice if the tints are too dark. To be honest about it, you’re not over-tinting your cars for that reason. You just like the look and the privacy you have, and are ignoring the safety issue. That’s why I first posted in this thread, because, once again, your only concern was being pulled over. I was trying have you pause for a second and consider the safety issue.
All your other arguments about the joys of tint (helping glass not shattering, cooling the car’s interior, etc.) is often more rationalization to justify a recognized unsafe practice if the tints are too dark. To be honest about it, you’re not over-tinting your cars for that reason. You just like the look and the privacy you have, and are ignoring the safety issue. That’s why I first posted in this thread, because, once again, your only concern was being pulled over. I was trying have you pause for a second and consider the safety issue.
10-04-2013, 03:40 PM
#33
Senior Citizen
My tint is illegal in my state, so I got a window tint prescription, and now it is not only legal, but legal enough to be recognized that it is perfectly safe... My states tint laws are 50%. So your saying 35 or 40% is unsafe? You can still see straight threw it, day or night.
10-04-2013, 03:56 PM
#34
In California such tint waivers restrict the driver to operate the vehicle in daytime only, so you may want to check that out for your state. For night driving, the tint must be removed, which we can agree is impractical. I hope you and your doctor didn’t commit a fraud for a Rx that is not medical warranted. And yes, to the degree that 35-40% cuts down on the driver’s vision at night, it could be considered unsafe.
10-04-2013, 04:00 PM
#35
Senior Citizen
Again, no one said anything about WINDSHIELD tint. The OP clearly stated his question in the original post that he is not including the windshield in his decision. No one posted pictures of their windshield tints. So again, are you saying that it is not safe to drive with tinted front PASSENGER windows, even if some states have no restrictions on them? If it was so unsafe, wouldn't it be illegal in all states, like the windshield?
As to why state laws vary and tint requirements are not uniform for all states I can only say it’s a states rights versus federal rights issue that perhaps belongs in our Politics section.
10-04-2013, 04:52 PM
#37
Senior Citizen
10-04-2013, 10:31 PM
#38
If you’re trying to get me to say that certain side/rear window tints are still unsafe even if the state law allows them, then yes, these tints could compromise safety under certain night time driving conditions. There, you’ve got your gotcha if you want it.
As to why state laws vary and tint requirements are not uniform for all states I can only say it’s a states rights versus federal rights issue that perhaps belongs in our Politics section.
As to why state laws vary and tint requirements are not uniform for all states I can only say it’s a states rights versus federal rights issue that perhaps belongs in our Politics section.
Driving safely is dependent on the driver, not the car. There are plenty of drivers without tints who still get into accidents and plenty of drivers with tints who don't. It really depends on the driver, so making blanketed statements that illegal tints compromise safety isn't a good argument.
I don't know if you realize, but you can actually see through these tints pretty well. Maybe 5% tint is hard to see outside at night, but I've had 17% VLT (20% VLT tint) and I was able to see outside at night.
Last edited by mathnerd88; 10-04-2013 at 10:43 PM.
10-05-2013, 12:41 AM
#39
Registered User
19% tint
This is my 2011 with 19% tiny. As you can see. Pretty dark. I had the same for my 2008 g sedan with black on black. You can see it in my garage pics. I do agree with the night driving. Having 19% tint at night is a pain sometime to see out the two front windows. If I had to do it again. I probably wouldn't go this dark. And yes... It does look a bit gangster sometimes.
10-05-2013, 12:43 AM
#40
Senior Citizen
Lol that makes no sense. Safety in itself should be universal (which is why airbags and seatbelts requirement is a FEDERAL law.)
Driving safely is dependent on the driver, not the car. There are plenty of drivers without tints who still get into accidents and plenty of drivers with tints who don't. It really depends on the driver, so making blanketed statements that illegal tints compromise safety isn't a good argument.
I don't know if you realize, but you can actually see through these tints pretty well. Maybe 5% tint is hard to see outside at night, but I've had 17% VLT (20% VLT tint) and I was able to see outside at night.
Driving safely is dependent on the driver, not the car. There are plenty of drivers without tints who still get into accidents and plenty of drivers with tints who don't. It really depends on the driver, so making blanketed statements that illegal tints compromise safety isn't a good argument.
I don't know if you realize, but you can actually see through these tints pretty well. Maybe 5% tint is hard to see outside at night, but I've had 17% VLT (20% VLT tint) and I was able to see outside at night.
And this often repeated mantra of being able to see through certain tints is, and always has been, the mainstay of a tint zealot’s rationalization. Anything you see at night with 20% tint is, by definition, a critical decrease in night vision and anyone, other than Superman, CANNOT see pretty well, certainly not in a modern automobile. You’re as virtually blind as the preverbal blind man who cannot see. IMO Safe driving is inconsistent with such behavior.
10-05-2013, 06:23 PM
#42
In California such tint waivers restrict the driver to operate the vehicle in daytime only, so you may want to check that out for your state. For night driving, the tint must be removed, which we can agree is impractical. I hope you and your doctor didn’t commit a fraud for a Rx that is not medical warranted. And yes, to the degree that 35-40% cuts down on the driver’s vision at night, it could be considered unsafe.
Sorry, but your arguments are incredibly farfetched. Tint is not dangerous and no accidents have ever been recorded where the error is tinted windows.. If they were, they wouldn't allow any tint and all states would be the exact same law.
10-05-2013, 06:47 PM
#43
Perhaps you’re right in a sense, that it’s the driver, including the driver who allows his or vision to be critical impaired by too dark tints, who is responsible for a negative outcome. Thank goodness that the police, as available, are able to dampened such irresponsible behavior and perhaps save a life or two.
And this often repeated mantra of being able to see through certain tints is, and always has been, the mainstay of a tint zealot’s rationalization. Anything you see at night with 20% tint is, by definition, a critical decrease in night vision and anyone, other than Superman, CANNOT see pretty well, certainly not in a modern automobile. You’re as virtually blind as the preverbal blind man who cannot see. IMO Safe driving is inconsistent with such behavior.
And this often repeated mantra of being able to see through certain tints is, and always has been, the mainstay of a tint zealot’s rationalization. Anything you see at night with 20% tint is, by definition, a critical decrease in night vision and anyone, other than Superman, CANNOT see pretty well, certainly not in a modern automobile. You’re as virtually blind as the preverbal blind man who cannot see. IMO Safe driving is inconsistent with such behavior.
Any other circumstance where you needed to see out your rear passenger and driver side windows isn't necessary for "safe" driving. You don't need to see what is happening two lanes away on your side windows.
As for front side windows, the only thing they are useful for is when you are turning without a traffic signal present. In such cases, I can understand why some with extremely dark tints in the side front windows can be dangerous, but in almost all cases, drivers CAN see out their window and watch for headlights. Extremely dark tints may allow a driver to "miss" a dark car without headlights on, but if everyone followed the law, the front tint probably poses no threat to safe driving.
Last edited by mathnerd88; 10-05-2013 at 06:58 PM.
10-05-2013, 06:47 PM
#44
Chekov may be overly cautious but his words have merit IMO.
10-05-2013, 07:08 PM
#45
Senior Citizen
Yes you do. One reason for accidents on our freeways is two cars merging into the same lane; let’s say one going to the right and the other to the left. This is why a safe driver looks to see not only the next lane, but the lane two lanes over when changing lanes so they don’t merge into each other by changing lanes at the same time. In this scenario side window vision, even during the day, is quite important, that is, if you want to be a safe driver without the zeal of illegal tints getting in your way.
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