I guess you didn't read my post #24. First hand family experience with fried clutch from doing same.

Slipping clutch = wear

Slipping clutch unnecessarily = dumb

 

For over a hundred years we have done fine without this... Stupification syndrome is creeping into our lives every day. Hell, lets just teach the car to drive us around while we're at it.

Takes all the fun out of rolling back just alittle.

 

 

1- Don't slip the clutch to hold the car, that is what the brakes are for!
2- When it's time to go, let the freakin' clutch out and give a little more gas than normal; no need to slip at this time either.

 

There is a "Hill Assisy" out for the G35's... All you have to do is take your car to a decent Auto shop and have your car converted to be automatic. Its that easy.... if you struggle with hills and think its cumbersome to have a MT when you live in a hilly environment, get an Auto...

And as for the comment about the BMW M-series having this feature and it must not be a drivers car, BMW is no longer marketing their M-series to true Drivers.
They are throwing soo many options in their cars for convenience rather than the driving experience. Personally, i hate the current m's and the previous. The only one I like is the e30 M3..... no frills... just car

*Edit.... M-coupes/roadsters are the exception.. those are just SICK!!!

 

He was talking about the posters that are holding on a hill w/o brakes.

Hill hold is a stop light convenience nothing more nothing less..... it has absolutely nothing to with DRIVING.

 

The problem is you are trying to apply logic to close-minded people who believe their opinion is fact.

Bottom line, hill hold assist does not make the car any slower, it does not reduce the car's braking ability, it does not reduce the ride, handling or cornering. It does nothing bad. It does improve the "driving experience" for certain drivers in certain situations.

Thirty-five years ago Corvette drivers were all up in arms about the standard power windows. "Man, I've lived with roll up windows my whole life with no problems, and I don't need no stinkin' power windows which are only going to break and cost me money to fix. No way do we need 'em." However, Chevrolet actually made them standard to improve the car's performance. It turned out the power motor and assembly actually weighed less than the huge manual assembly which took up most of the door innards.

Sometimes progress comes in various disquises.

 

I don't think its "closed minded".

It's just the fact that, people get manual transmissions because of the simple fact that they have manual control over their vehicle.

With todays technology, I fear that "true manuals" are getting to close to automatics. I obviously don't have a problem with automatics; I hate to see people bashing automatics.

But the fact that so much technology is being implemented into a manual to make it easier for the driver is a bit strange to me; part of the joy of manual is the satisfaction of mastering it.

At first, I hated hills. Now, I see them as if they ceased to exist

People are not going to get the full manual experience with such "assist".

This is just my personal opinion...

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i have to agree with u. that's why i haven't really looked into smg type transmissions just yet. yeah.. they seem fantastic and will probably shift faster than i ever could... but i enjoy rowing through the gears manually. it's getting to the point where there is an assist system being put into place into everything we do now... lane departure warning, brake assist, rear sonar... i mean where does it end? and when does it necessarily move from a convenience to a nuisance??

 

Nothing to do with driving? LOL
Your not making sense; please explain yourself??? I already know what the heck he's talking about.

I know they're riding the clutch trying to keep the car from rolling back and appreciate what he's telling them; I also am backing him up and not disagreeing, but rather adding to it.

 

+1
People are also going to loose the skill needed in such situations if they learn with hill assist. Think about that; they are just 'dumbing' down the manual driving experience. If this is going to be OEM and standard it would be one of the first things I would disable.

 

I agree...
I sometimes like to granny shift when driving on a nice day, taking it slow with the windows down and roof open just to hear the exhaust; the pause makes the sound much more pronounced and gets some looks from all around.

 

Hill assist is unnecessary and dumbs down driving a manual.

It reminds me of people that say quasi-automatics (SMG or whatever) are the same as a true manual.

 

What ever.....

 

^^ Don't get upset. I don't mean anything bad about it. I mean if my next car came with it, I wouldn't care one way or another.

Actually, the more I think of it - aren't we all driving dumbed down manuals? Older manuals without synchros were supposedly "harder" to drive. Anyone under a certain age probably has never driven one without synchros.