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it is an Infiniti badged Skyline GTR, its just been skewed for luxury rather than sport. hence the 7AT and weight issues and all that concentration and development on technology, ie blind spot warning, the infamous DAS steering, etc etc
Infiniti badged Skyline GT*
There's a whole thread on here somewhere explaining the GTR lineage and differences, pretty sure a twin turbo g is technically a GTR though.
Yea the Q60 has the most recent GT-R developed powertrain to this date, only the R35 GT-R shares the same twin turbo VR engine that the Q60 boasts. It is still technically a Skyline GTR in its engine specification definitely, it could have been easily tuned and developed for higher HP and Torque, it's even Direct Injection which is an efficiency advantage over the R35 GTR's Electronic injection.
HOWEVER, this was not done and Nissan skewed it for luxury instead, hence why it is badged Infiniti in the first place. That is Nissan's premier luxury division. great that you enjoyed reading the thread
Yea the Q60 has the most recent GT-R developed powertrain to this date, only the R35 GT-R shares the same twin turbo VR engine that the Q60 boasts. It is still technically a Skyline GTR in its engine specification definitely, it could have been easily tuned and developed for higher HP and Torque, it's even Direct Injection which is an efficiency advantage over the R35 GTR's Electronic injection.
HOWEVER, this was not done and Nissan skewed it for luxury instead, hence why it is badged Infiniti in the first place. That is Nissan's premier luxury division. great that you enjoyed reading the thread
Haha here I am trying to correct the author of the thread, BUT I can still call you out for calling it an R35
Haha here I am trying to correct the author of the thread, BUT I can still call you out for calling it an R35
No worries I didn't call the q60 or g37 an r35, but I did try to call the r35 a v36. I have my reasons, But that's for that thread not here. Drop by if you have a question or counterpoint!
So "Poor man" can afford 62-63K . With that outdated slushbox it is definitely not a gtr, not even close...
I said its a poor mans GTR, I didn't call it a GTR... Yes, its definitely the absolute next best thing and as close as you can get before shelling nearly double the $$ for a GTR. Also, with every option, the '17 Q60 RS at my local dealer is $57k, compared to a fully optioned '17 GTR is well over $115k. My comment is completely correct. I think you're in here just pushing buttons and not making any sense lol
The Q60 does not compete in the same space as the RC-F...
It competes in the same space as the 440i, S5, C43 AMG and such...it is performance oriented, but not sport performance oriented like the M's, RS, F, V, or AMG-heavy.
As it goes (as a direct competitor to BMW cars)
2.0l Turbo competes with BMW X20i cars
3.0l Turbo (300) competes with BMW X30i cars
3.0l Red Sport competes with BMW X40i cars...
The G/Q series always has and always will be for the foreseeable future, a direct competitor to BMW.
The G/Q series always has and always will be for the foreseeable future, a direct competitor to BMW.
I only named BMW as to show a relationship for how the Q50/60 model lineup compete in this space...without having to name the rest of the other marques.
I only named BMW as to show a relationship for how the Q50/60 model lineup compete in this space...without having to name the rest of the other marques.
Oh I know, not even sure why I quoted you, was just mentioning how Infiniti and BMW have always been in dog fights about things lol.
I said its a poor mans GTR, I didn't call it a GTR... Yes, its definitely the absolute next best thing and as close as you can get before shelling nearly double the $$ for a GTR. Also, with every option, the '17 Q60 RS at my local dealer is $57k, compared to a fully optioned '17 GTR is well over $115k. My comment is completely correct. I think you're in here just pushing buttons and not making any sense lol
Lol, you seem to make a lot of (non)sense, you may want to enlighten us on what measure you think Q60 is the closest thing to a GTR? Number of wheels maybe?
I don't think anybody from Nissan would make such a claim, maybe we should get in touch with them and ask.
Btw, 2008 GTR was priced 68K now it is inflated to 100K+ without much improvement. Today it is considered to be overpriced for what it brings while back in the day it was considered to be the most affordable supercar.
I don't really care about that dealer of yours, I am only talking about the msrp but even 57K is far overpriced with a car that comes with a recycled transmission. And even if we are talking about deals you could have gotten a fully loaded 2016 2ss out the door for around 39K 2 weeks ago. That is a true sports coupe which is on another leauge then the Q60 RS. On a track 2ss will be much much closer to a GTR in terms of performance while being 18K less than your dealer's 57K price.
Also a x40 BMW or similar Mercedes' can be had for a similar price similarly loaded and both are better offerings than Q60 RS and none are competetiors to GTR...
Lol, you seem to make a lot of (non)sense, you may want to enlighten us on what measure you think Q60 is the closest thing to a GTR? Number of wheels maybe?
same engine class, different displacement, both TT, q60 has direct injection, both have attesa ets awd. the thing is, the r35 is 2,260 lbs lighter. that is half the Q60's weight. the car has gtr capable potential, its the weight that is holding it back, thats because this car was meant to be powerful but more for luxury.
Gtr or not who really cares? Take the car for what it is. It is a luxury Sports car for the average consumer.
Coming from past experiences, the biggest draw back is going to be direct injection. We capped the mazdaspeed platform around 100whp over stock before the injectors couldn't deliver anymore fuel. Would have to go supplemental system instead of swapping injectors.
I think the best purchase would be a standard 3.0tt, swap the air to air intercooling system with a quality core, then tune. The oem water to air intercoolers are probably inferior to a good aftermarket air to air exchanger.
The turbo system appears the same aside for the optical sensors which would probably reduce boost spike issues but that is not a huge deal breaker and I would personally rather pocket the extra cash.
On the note of boost spikes however, I see companies producing exhausts and cat deletes already with no tuning support. Those mods on a turbo car will most definitely lean the mix out and increase boost pressure at the same time...not safe. Someone like cobb needs to come out with open source tuning. I absolutely hate how we rely on tuners rather than working as a community to self tune our vehicles.
12-14-2016, 01:40 AM
I didn't call the q60 or g37 an r35, but I did try to call the r35 a v36. I have my reasons, But that's for that thread not here. Drop by if you have a question or counterpoint!
. With that outdated slushbox it is definitely not a gtr, not even close...
