There ya go. Click on the little mountain thing to get the pics to show up.

On another note, I just found this article on rims and performance.
Effects of Upsized Wheels and Tires Tested - Tech Dept. - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver
Does this seem right to you guys? I know if you go too big, it'll slow you down, but I had always thought rims would improve performance, not make it worse.

 

The link that you put int here...click the little yellow button instead of the "LINK" box that has the globe thingy. Its "insert image". Otherwise from a hml format just make sure you put "[I M G]" (w/ no spaces) around it...with the 2nd one with a "/" infront of the I.

On black you can kind of get away with it not lining up as much. If you go Kuruma, you have sport skirts so hmmmm, you could take one step at a time? Start w/ the front and see how you like it!

 

dam it lance... now i want it

 

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On another note, I just found this article on rims and performance.
Effects of Upsized Wheels and Tires Tested - Tech Dept. - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver
Does this seem right to you guys? I know if you go too big, it'll slow you down, but I had always thought rims would improve performance, not make it worse.[/QUOTE]

This is something I have always known. 20's are even worse. The size range rein true for nearly all vehicle types, 18's are usually the best combo of looks, cost, and performance upgrades. But it's all about your own preference on looks vs performance. 19's or 20's look the best, I do agree with that, but it's all about rotating mass. Larger wheels even effect your dyno numbers, hp and tq to the wheels, because there is more weight to move. Also to be noted on that is the adverse effect on mpg's. For all of these reasons, and because I will always drive my cars, I choose 18's all the time when it comes to aftermarket wheel & tire combos.

 

I'd agree with that too... which is why i might not go with 20s but i really do wanna go thicker

 

By the way guys... From G35Driver:

YouTube - MN C&C 5-7-11

 

Sorry bro but I 100% disagree with your comment.

Just because a wheel is larger, does NOT mean its heavier. My 20" Volks were one of the #1 wheels to run for performance. They're EXTREMELY LIGHT, you can get the wheels extremely wide for traction, not to mention fit a BBK with 14" rotors without a single problem.

SIZE of the wheel doesn't affect performance as much as the QUALITY of the wheels you purchase*****


Also, You can't go off the "car and driver" writeup, for the fact that they used "GOODYEAR" tires?????? No where will you find Goodyear tires being well known as a sticky "low profile" tire.

 

I hate C&D and my hatred, yes I said hatred knows no bounds with them. They are far too biased imo and when they state that more C&D ppl drive/own BMWs it shows in all their reviews. I mean if a competitor gives you a break on a car, or just "gives" you a car for you to say, "hey, give us a great review...." Isn't that like buying your way into some elite group...or make you like every other congressmen(women) LOL! Check this review out if you don't believe me. I will at least say that I detest C&Ds reviews, I will agree with Lance depending on the weight of what a 19 or 20" wheel will do. Deep dish wheels typically are heavier because of the mass needed to keep the wheel proper with the lip.

Check out this stellar review from C&D....2011 Infiniti M56 - Road Test - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver. Check out the backfires at the bottom lol

 

Dam you're passionate about this lol

but seriously though, what you're saying does make sense. even though everyone and there mom says that, you can get really nice 20" that are lighter than sh;tty 17" rims. therefore, you're point stands

 

What's everyone up to this weekend? I might install a guys full suspension for him on the 35 forum(including camber kits). Might actually go pick up a nice sized compressor and air tools tonight or tomorrow. Fiancee will be MIA until next Monday going up north w/ a group of gf's.

 

Nice find! I got to see my car in the first few seconds

You make a great point Lance on the quality of the wheel. The manufacturing process used, Forged vs. Cast and whether or not it is a multi piece or monoblock wheel will affect weight and how well it will perform.

IMHO, for the type of driving that most of us do, the arguments of 18 vs 19 vs 20 are somewhat pointless. I'll speak for myself and say that I don't drive my car anywhere its potential where saving a pound or five would be noticeable. I bought my first set of 20s based on looks alone. My next set will be selected based on the reputation of the manufacturer and the overall appeal of the wheel. If it happens to be super light too then that's a bonus

 

And I suppose that even if you buy a wider wheel that is heavier than your stock, your acceleration MIGHT go down, but your traction WILL go up. Who only drives their car in a straight line? The benefit of added traction with a larger wider wheel would have to outweigh the possible slight decrease in acceleration.

Hossam, did you get a start on the Mazdarati engine swap yet?

 

Lance, but the weight you add with a bbk also do negative effects. You are right you can some lightweight large wheels, and Peng is right on the increased traction, Mike is right on the tire performance and the bias C & D does have, and Tevi is also right that none of us really drive our cars hard enough to really maximize performance. But the test was still very accurate in the sense they used virtually the same wheel and tire, just in different sizes. It's all about physics. You can't argue that adding larger brake rotors and wheels that are both heavier than stock will not hurt performance. That test also showed the increase in lateral force with the bigger and wider tire, showing increased grip. Remember that I stated it really comes down to personal preference. My 18 x 9.5 rims I had in my mustang had a huge adverse affect to acceleration. But then again, I lost gobs of low end torque when I took the cats and resinators off the exhaust too because of lost back pressure. I did the rims and exhaust mostly for looks and sound. I have since my mind and am now more performance oriented. That is why I chose the smaller wheel tire combo. I will never never need 14 in rotors, even though they look WAY better. Personal preference man. You can't discount my argument 100% because it simple physics.

 

Keep in mind that test was only with the same tire. If you upgrade to a stickyer compound, traction goes up but so does rolling resistance. If you want a harder compound, rolling resistance goes down but so does grip. Of course you can find combos that will provide better performance and maintain weight or a slight increase. That c & d test just shows the basic physics of the idea.

 

Which day of the weekend and when and where? i might have time to stop by and help out.

Not yet man... i've been super busy since the weekend. I might start on it on sunday or even saturday morning but not a 100% yet. I still gotta get the info from Brian too.

Taylor, you are right if you're looking at the same exact components but different size, physics does prove your point. but once you start taking the overall performance on the track, physics won't be able to prove much since depending on the driving style through out the track will change from driver to driver. also, once you change the combination of rim and tire with bigger but better (lighter) ones, then the difference will decrease too. but looking at just the numbers, physics does prove your point.