new 328 is out, close to pricing of 2012 G37
Just adding my 2 cents...
BMW has made some great cars - but (just my opinion) it feels as if they have lost their way a bit...look at the new 5-series. Really? I was a proud owner of a '99 540i. (E39 era). Loved that car. Gorgeous. I then had a gen 1 X5 4.4. Very nice too.
But - I'd never want to own one out of warranty. Examples of what went wrong over 6 years (2x 3 year leases): in the 540 - I had the oil filter canister separate spewing 8 quarts of oil all over the engine. That was fun. Oh - and the drivers seat that would rock in it's mounts could be classified as pure torture in stop & go driving. The X5 had a binding accelerator pedal. That was the cause of several minor heart attacks for me - take your foot off the accelerator and it would take a second before it would pop and smack the underside of my foot. OH - and both cars required the instrument panel to be replaced due to pixels dying.
Overall - they were great fun while I owned them. The dealer wasn't too bad (South Jersey - Desimone BMW). I really just feared owning them post-warranty. I did not experience any of the failed front knuckles/bearings/etc on the 5. Didn't want to wait that long. And although the X5 was 'supposed' to be more trouble prone - the last year I had it was pretty uneventful. Put a solid 45k on each car - used to drive a lot more back then.
I'm sure they have become more reliable since then - but it also seems like they have lost some of their 'soul'. The X5 has grown - and the X3 just recently looks good. The 5 & 7 will never regain the reputation of the 'ultimate drive machines' as they had in the late 90's. The 3 keeps growing - somewhat ungainly to me.
Everyone has their opinions. I'm sure the nameplate is all that is needed for many.
BMW has made some great cars - but (just my opinion) it feels as if they have lost their way a bit...look at the new 5-series. Really? I was a proud owner of a '99 540i. (E39 era). Loved that car. Gorgeous. I then had a gen 1 X5 4.4. Very nice too.
But - I'd never want to own one out of warranty. Examples of what went wrong over 6 years (2x 3 year leases): in the 540 - I had the oil filter canister separate spewing 8 quarts of oil all over the engine. That was fun. Oh - and the drivers seat that would rock in it's mounts could be classified as pure torture in stop & go driving. The X5 had a binding accelerator pedal. That was the cause of several minor heart attacks for me - take your foot off the accelerator and it would take a second before it would pop and smack the underside of my foot. OH - and both cars required the instrument panel to be replaced due to pixels dying.
Overall - they were great fun while I owned them. The dealer wasn't too bad (South Jersey - Desimone BMW). I really just feared owning them post-warranty. I did not experience any of the failed front knuckles/bearings/etc on the 5. Didn't want to wait that long. And although the X5 was 'supposed' to be more trouble prone - the last year I had it was pretty uneventful. Put a solid 45k on each car - used to drive a lot more back then.
I'm sure they have become more reliable since then - but it also seems like they have lost some of their 'soul'. The X5 has grown - and the X3 just recently looks good. The 5 & 7 will never regain the reputation of the 'ultimate drive machines' as they had in the late 90's. The 3 keeps growing - somewhat ungainly to me.
Everyone has their opinions. I'm sure the nameplate is all that is needed for many.
But - I'd never want to own one out of warranty. Examples of what went wrong over 6 years (2x 3 year leases): in the 540 - I had the oil filter canister separate spewing 8 quarts of oil all over the engine. That was fun. Oh - and the drivers seat that would rock in it's mounts could be classified as pure torture in stop & go driving. The X5 had a binding accelerator pedal. That was the cause of several minor heart attacks for me - take your foot off the accelerator and it would take a second before it would pop and smack the underside of my foot. OH - and both cars required the instrument panel to be replaced due to pixels dying.
Not completely worthless, but I don't go around placing much faith in their highway estimates. It's a big number for BMW to advertise, that's all. I try to look at fuelly or fueleconomy.gov to get the real world numbers. If I was looking for sport and fuel economy, I don't think I would get the 328i..I'd get a 335d knowing real world MPGs will be great.
When I had my 335 I averaged about 24mpg which is basically 20% better than I'm getting in the G.
HP=fuel I guess but I wasn't expecting such a big loss.
I recently just got into a 2012 Kia Optima SX, which has the 2.0T turbo 4 cylinder. My last G was a RWD G37 Journey, which I saw an average of 21~22mpg with mixed city and highway. The Optima is rated at 34mpg hwy and 22mpg city, but with the same driving style as my G I'm only getting 24~25 mixed. Not much of an improvement if you ask me.
I too was contemplating the new 328 because of the 2.0T engine, but for $15k less fully equipped I could not pass on the Optima SX (msrp $31.8k but got for $28k). Not saying that the Optima is direct competitor for BMW/Infiniti, but for my needs its just sporty enough and has wayyyy more options than I could get in either car (panoramic sunroof, cooled seats, power foldup mirrors, heated rear seats, etc)
Once the lease is up on the Kia, I'm hoping for Infiniti to put a 2.0T engine in the G25 so I can come back to the brand. I've have 5 Infiniti G35/37s in the past 8 years, but I was in need of a change. Let's hope this new 328 lights a fire under the Nissan/Infiniti engineering for make the G even better.
I too was contemplating the new 328 because of the 2.0T engine, but for $15k less fully equipped I could not pass on the Optima SX (msrp $31.8k but got for $28k). Not saying that the Optima is direct competitor for BMW/Infiniti, but for my needs its just sporty enough and has wayyyy more options than I could get in either car (panoramic sunroof, cooled seats, power foldup mirrors, heated rear seats, etc)
Once the lease is up on the Kia, I'm hoping for Infiniti to put a 2.0T engine in the G25 so I can come back to the brand. I've have 5 Infiniti G35/37s in the past 8 years, but I was in need of a change. Let's hope this new 328 lights a fire under the Nissan/Infiniti engineering for make the G even better.
Anybody who thinks engine size means "Luxury" is dumb. The rest of the world has had smaller engine in their high end cars for years. This is why they generally handle better than American cars. Since they can't have engine performance (fuel prices) they focus on driving feel. Here in the US we like forward thrust.
I've had 1.8T and 2.0T VW/Audi and they are awesome and sound good.
I've had 1.8T and 2.0T VW/Audi and they are awesome and sound good.
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"So if it's barely faster in a straight line and not quite as great in corners, why would you buy the 335i? To be honest, if you're looking at an automatic 3-series, it's a hard sell. But with a manual, it's no contest -- the 335i is the better car. BMW muted the four-cylinder's noise far more than the blown six's, which was the right choice -- nobody wants to hear a four-cylinder in an expensive car. But that means driving the 328i with a manual requires a lot more attention: you can barely hear or feel the engine, so you wind up taking off with way too many revs -- or stalling it. Revving the engine out in each gear brings no acoustic pleasure, so you short-shift it and ride the enormous wave of low-end torque. And all the while, you're thinking that you'd be just as happy with the automatic.
In the 335i, you revel in the engine's noise. Its broad, flat torque curve means you don't have to rev the engine -- but you want to. You want to hear it, you want to feel it, and you wind up loving it. More so than ever, it's an emotional decision rather than a rational one -- but with three pedals in the driver's footwell, there's still no sport sedan better than a BMW 335i. "

"So if it's barely faster in a straight line and not quite as great in corners, why would you buy the 335i? To be honest, if you're looking at an automatic 3-series, it's a hard sell. But with a manual, it's no contest -- the 335i is the better car. BMW muted the four-cylinder's noise far more than the blown six's, which was the right choice -- nobody wants to hear a four-cylinder in an expensive car. But that means driving the 328i with a manual requires a lot more attention: you can barely hear or feel the engine, so you wind up taking off with way too many revs -- or stalling it. Revving the engine out in each gear brings no acoustic pleasure, so you short-shift it and ride the enormous wave of low-end torque. And all the while, you're thinking that you'd be just as happy with the automatic.
In the 335i, you revel in the engine's noise. Its broad, flat torque curve means you don't have to rev the engine -- but you want to. You want to hear it, you want to feel it, and you wind up loving it. More so than ever, it's an emotional decision rather than a rational one -- but with three pedals in the driver's footwell, there's still no sport sedan better than a BMW 335i. "
Last edited by gugarci; Feb 23, 2012 at 05:35 PM.
Anybody who thinks engine size means "Luxury" is dumb. The rest of the world has had smaller engine in their high end cars for years. This is why they generally handle better than American cars. Since they can't have engine performance (fuel prices) they focus on driving feel. Here in the US we like forward thrust.
I've had 1.8T and 2.0T VW/Audi and they are awesome and sound good.
I've had 1.8T and 2.0T VW/Audi and they are awesome and sound good.
I really liked the article. I do agree that for someone looking for a nice AT car, the 328 is super compelling..
So I've only opened up my sunroof fully maybe once or twice, I kid you not. I do pop up the roof from time to time. But in reality right now I could easily live without a sunroof.
In the past I used to use the sunroof all the time. Although my 02 WRX wagon had no sunroof. My 83 GTI and 87 16V Scirocco had the sunroof placed in a perfect spot. From the driver's seat you could easily glance up and see the sky as you drove. I can't do that with the G while I'm driving unless I lean extremely back and ;ean my head up.
So I've only opened up my sunroof fully maybe once or twice, I kid you not. I do pop up the roof from time to time. But in reality right now I could easily live without a sunroof.
So I've only opened up my sunroof fully maybe once or twice, I kid you not. I do pop up the roof from time to time. But in reality right now I could easily live without a sunroof.

