So it's ok to trash Acura/Honda around here but get off Ford's back??? Ignorance/Arrogance, whatever you want to call it, it's not a fair comparison when you're talking luxury to common brands. If they would have compared it to the Maxima or Altima it would have been a different story, but anyone buying an Infiniti is not going to consider a Ford but rather a Lincoln.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

 

people can cross shop all day long... i just couldn't picture spending $46k on that Ford and then seeing what it's worth 3 years from now

 

WTF? Is this kid serious?

Slap yourself.

FYI to everyone else: Not getting involved with the whole SHO vs G37 ordeal, just HAD to comment on this kid's retarded post here.

K, back on topic

 

was the g awd? that might have been a fairer comparison,
since the awd sedan is abit slower than the rwd version
also the TT ford will be easier to bump the hp with a careful tune

nice article non-the-less

 

I like fords, they have come a long way, but like Kenny said, you spend 46k on it and in 2 years you will get 15k back.

Gugarci, Just because the price is the same does nto mean the two are in the same class. Sure they are both 4 door "saloons" but so are lincoln town cars and honda civics and mazerati quadroportes and many others. You are comparing a large heavy front wheels drive besed family sedan without a sports package to a car that's basically a 370Z with back doors. WHo in their right mind cross shops those two?

 

From the article it sounds like Ford is hoping to have it cross shopped in the sport sedan segment. Having not seen one myself, the article kind of says that the Ford is to heavy to be competitive in the class.

There was a time not long ago that BMW would have never thought that anyone would cross shop with Infiniti... product improvements (the first G) is that made that real.

I'm all for competition and choice... if Ford was making a car better than the G I'd look at it. Sounds like they are not there yet. For the consumer, this is all good.

 

You seem like a nice person tipping $100-180 for an oil change...

 

First of all that car is being marketed by Ford as a sport sedan. Price wise it's not a lot more expensive than a fully optioned G. Also I'm pretty sure Ford dealerships will be willing to discount more than Infiniti dealers. The SHO does have a sport package option. But the car that was tested was not optioned with the sport package.

If Lincoln made a sport sedan that was priced withing a couple of thousands dollars to the G you can compared that car also to the G. The Civic is a lot smaller and lighter than the G. The Maserati is a lot more expensive than the G. While you and many other people on this forum will not cross shop those 2 cars others will.

Also I read this morning in the C&D website that Cadillac has started working on a 3 series competitor. If that car get's released it will also be compared to the G.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...illac_car_news

Size wise the G should not be compared to the 3 series, it should be compared to the 5. But that doesn't happen.

 

I do see your point about ford's marketting, and I actually read the article so i know the particualr car just did not haev the sport package. However, in my opinion cars haev to be similar and in the smae price range to be compared. A G and a 3 series (5 is bigger and way too expensive) are close enough in their mission, performance and price (even though the G is much cheaper and performs a little worse) but comparing a Sports sedan to a Taurus, even one with a sports package just does nto make sense to me. That car would be a better match for the Infiniti M35X.

I guess yiou are right in that some people can cross shop anything though, so reasonable people pay dissagree

Btw Lincoln does make an SHO equivalent MKS with a twin turbo motor. very cool.

 

I'm not a car guy?

Sync is by far the highest rated voice recognition system on the market. It surpasses that of EVERY SINGLE luxury brand, let alone the non-luxury brands.

Have you tried it? I didn't think so. Can your G pick songs out of the music box or iPod with a voice command?

There is plenty of room for improvement. They just havn't improved. Look at all the problems us Infiniti owners have having with TSBs, breakdowns, blown engines, throwout bearings, trannies, window motors, and such. And we're one of the top dogs. There is tons of room for improvement.

If the product was truely reliable, they'd put a limited LIFETIME warranty on it, maybe like a set of tools...

Less than a decade ago, Infiniti was "Catching up". Hell, even 1 generation ago, they were catching up, and they're STILL catching up.

Ask any G37 owner here. Is the G37 better than a 335? Most will say no, but will also add that it is a far better VALUE.

Oh, since I'm not a car guy, I know a lot of guys that specifically picked a M3 over a 370Z. Why? Because for a 370 to perform at a M3's level, it needs more in mods than the price difference covers. Oh, and they get free pads and rotors for 4 years/50k miles.

Key statement. Everyone cross shops different cars.

Cars cross shopped with the G:

(obvious ones)
3 series
C class
TL/TSX
CTS
A/S 4/5
350/370z

less obvious:
Evo/Ralliart
STI/WRX
MS3
Camry v6
Accord v6
Legacy
5 series
e class
RL

some odd ones I've seen:
civic si
cobalt ss
c63
m3
rs4

 

Im sorry, but an advanced puter system is not going to save Ford, I dont mind hitting a little tab on my steering wheel to change songs while driving a quality car. I dont think there are too many people buying cars so they can talk to their radio. They say their quality is catching to Toyotas... who says? Transmission shops are still in business cause of Ford. I remember when they announced they are improving quality, than all the sudden a couple months later they claim they are catching up. Quality takes years to achieve. And while our Gs do have problems, they are small when common, and have only rare instances when I hear about a blown engine. Who knows what that person did to their car.

 

Myself when I decided to trade in my 08G35xS I was seriously considering going back to small car with a stick. I had seriously considered the 265HP WRX, but decided to pass due to many failed engines. Check the threads at Nasioc.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1648372

I like the MS3 and almost bought one when I bought my 08xS. Decided to pass on the MS3 due to the fact it's too much of a kid car, I'm 44 years old, and it's FWD. I do like the new styling of the 2010 MS3, although it's not very popular.

I also consider a G37 Coupe. Passed immediately on the G37 Coupe when I tried the electric sliding seats. I have no patience and those seat slowly sliding back and forth to let people out of the back seat would drive me nuts.

I considered the 335 but since most likely I would of kept the car passed the the free maintenance period i ruled it out due to long term costs. Outside of the a RWD G37 Sedan the only car I really like a lot is the 328I.

Not as fast as the 335I but it's lighter, handles and stops great and still a a lot of fun to drive. But I have become a HP snob. Unfortunately the 328I's 230HP ruled it out of my picture.

So forget the SHO for now. Ford please bring us some proper European cars, give us the Focus RS and bring back the Mondeo.

 

I don't know that Ford is willing to go 1k less than invoice like Infiniti has been doing.

 

During my stay at Riverside, I've seen over 100 engine replacements on G35s. I'd say that's a pretty significant amount. Significant enough that they warranty brand new engines with little to no investigation. All you need are symptoms.

Trans shops are still in business fixing OLDER fords. These same shops are in business fixing old Nissans too.

Oh, and you WILL mind hitting a tab on your steering wheel when the song you want to get to is a couple thousand tab presses away, and there is no way to instantly get there. Have you tried Acura's voice recognition? It blows the Nissan system away. Yes, I have a direct involvement in the development of the recognition systems. My voice is one of the templates used to diversify the system.

And for that matter Ford doesn't need saving.

 

just a Nissan?

A conservative TT and FI would take the "Nissan" engineering to levels beyond Fords reach.... I can't trust the reliability of the electronics on the Ford either.

I'd be willing to plunk down a bit ...but not for a Ford commercial end-product