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Old 10-07-2008, 07:35 PM
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It's the 4th gear that really shows the difference, I don't know what gear car is at 60 though.
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5AT hits 60 in 2nd gear.

I'm guessing the 7AT will be in 3rd.
Old 10-07-2008, 07:46 PM
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Infiniti claims that 0-60 could be as much as .5sec faster.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...opanel..2.*#18
Road Tests
2009 Infiniti G37 Sedan First Drive

By Halloween, the 2008 Infiniti G35 sedan will be in costume. And though Infiniti's sport sedan won't be haunted by Nismo or Autech, there might still be an opportunity to get scared and choke on candy corn. The G is going to the party as a 2009 Infiniti G37 sedan.

This party is the October 2008 launch of the Infiniti brand in Western Europe. Infiniti doesn't have the obligatory diesel engine ready to go, so it's putting its best gasoline V6 in all Euro-spec Gs. And since the company has already whetted our appetite for the 3.7-liter VQ37VHR V6 with the 2008 G37 coupe, there wouldn't be much point in sending both G35 and G37 sedans down the line in Tochigi, Japan.

So we, too, get the 2009 Infiniti G37 sedan. We also get a new seven-speed automatic transmission to go with it — in addition to last year's six-speed manual gearbox, of course.

Neither of these upgrades makes the 2009 Infiniti G37 radically quicker than the 2008 G35. But they put a slightly nastier edge on what is already the rawest of the rear-drive, entry-level luxury sport sedans.

Too Fast for Napa
Napa Valley is where we meet up with the 2009 Infiniti G37 sedan, and this presents a quandary for our inner wine enthusiast. The G37 is not the sort of car you drive between wine tastings. For that, you might rent a Sebring convertible, which feels a little tipsy before anyone has a drop of wine.

So on this warm (and yes, dry) fall day, the 2009 G37 sedan is the main event. Alas, all the little blacktop roads running between Napa's vineyards, along with its 55-mph divided highways, are a bit limiting in this car. There aren't nearly enough opportunities to seek out the 3.7-liter V6 engine's 7,600-rpm redline.

Still, between corners, the V6's midrange is every bit as complex and exciting as we remember it being in the G37 coupe. You're looking at negligibly lower power ratings for the V6 in the G37 sedan, which offers 328 horsepower at 7,000 rpm and 269 pound-feet of torque at 5,200 rpm (versus 330 hp and 270 lb-ft in the coupe), but the two engines are otherwise identical. Bore and stroke is still 95.5mm by 86.0mm; compression is still 11.0:1; and you still have Infiniti's VVEL (Variable Valve Event and Lift) working on the intake valves.

When it's time for a downshift, we notice one other similarity between the G37 coupe and sedan: the deep exhaust note. Whereas the 3.5-liter VQ35HR V6 in our long-term 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport sedan was disappointingly mum after a neatly executed heel-and-toe downshift, the 3.7-liter is allowed to make a fuss — even in the sedan.

A Better Automatic
The shifts themselves feel pretty, good, too, thanks to the upgraded transmission offerings on the 2009 Infiniti G37. The seven-speed automatic transmission that debuted on the 2009 FX50 and FX35 also replaces the G's five-speed automatic this year.

Rear-drive Infiniti G37 sedans and coupes can be equipped with either this automatic or the carryover six-speed manual. The seven-speed is standard for all-wheel-drive Gs, including the newly available G37x coupe.

Compared to the old five-speed, the seven-speed automatic has significantly shorter 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear ratios. In fact, it's geared more aggressively than even the six-speed manual gearbox. And like the old automatic, it matches revs on downshifts and can be controlled via shift paddles if you get the sport package.

Infiniti says the 2009 G37 sedan should be a couple tenths of a second quicker from zero to 60 mph — perhaps even a half-second, one official tells us. The last automatic-equipped G35 sedan we tested ran a 5.5-second 0-60. The BMW 335i is the one to beat here, of course, as that car goes to 60 mph in 5 seconds flat with a six-speed automatic.

The seven-speed G37 should also deliver better fuel economy than the G35. It has an extra overdrive gear, and the final-drive ratio is 3.357:1 compared to 3.692:1 on the automatic G35. Combine these changes with the efficiency benefits of the new V6's variable valve lift, and you're looking at a probable EPA rating of 18 mpg city/26 mpg highway (versus 17/24 on the G35), says Infiniti.

Maybe You Should Do It Yourself
Six-speed manual G37 sedans shouldn't give up more than 1 mpg to the automatic, though, and we think there's a stronger argument for doing your own shifting in 2009 Infiniti G37 sedans and coupes.

We've had our grievances with Infiniti's six-speed gearbox in both the G35 sedan and the G37 coupe, but as we find a groove through a series of turns on Napa's Dry Creek Road, they're far from mind.

The clutch take-up in this particular G37 sport sedan has the kind of subtlety and refinement we expect in a premium-brand sedan. The shift lever also feels pretty fluid through the gates, yet it retains that mechanical weightiness so characteristic of Infiniti and Nissan performance cars.

If our test car is any indication, Infiniti might have finally gotten everything worked out with this transmission. And that bodes well for the manual-shift G37 at the test track. Our long-term G35's clutch issues are well documented, and still it managed a 5.5-second 0-60 time (5.2 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and a 13.9-second quarter-mile at 102 mph.

It's Only About Value If You're Boring
Whenever an Infiniti G35 sedan wins a comparison test, it invariably ends with this disclaimer: It wasn't the best car, but it was the best value.

And in some ways, this kind of backhanded compliment is justified. Neither the 2008 G35 nor the 2009 Infiniti G37 sedan has a best-in-class interior. And if you're picky about your entry-level luxury sedan's ride and handling balance, you'll probably gravitate toward the supreme refinement of a 3 Series.

In 2009, though, the G has gotten a little too interesting to be the value leader. It'll still be priced competitively, of course, as Infiniti estimates a base 2009 Infiniti G37 Sedan with the seven-speed automatic will come in around $33,000 — less than a grand more than the '08 G35 sedan with the five-speed auto. Same goes for the G37 Sport with the six-speed manual, which should cost about $34K. Put the sport package on an automatic-equipped 2009 G37 Journey and you're looking at about $36,500.

But value doesn't enter the picture on Dry Creek. Instead, we're thinking about how stiff and composed our 2009 Infiniti G37 sedan's chassis feels through the lumpy corners, and how much we like the torque and drama of the 3.7-liter V6. We're enjoying the drive.
Old 10-07-2008, 09:14 PM
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Car and Drivers test interestingly states the Sedan is no more quicker than its predecessor.
Old 10-07-2008, 09:19 PM
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guess the question is, how fast will the pcm shift for you though
Old 10-07-2008, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by fpenna2
exactly what i am doing, but I know that MT is more quicker(accelaration) than 5AT, but the numbers shows 5AT (14,169) greater than 6MT (13,98).
1st gear.
7AT 16,53
6MT 13,9851
5AT 14,169


Thats why I asked to someone check if the gear ratios for the 5AT are correct, can be wrong. There s something wrong...
At my opinion, ,never the 5AT will get 0-60 better than 6MT..But the numbers shows me the inverse...Is there another explanation for that?

I'm sure there are other reasons...the auto will dyno less than a manual, so right there is a loss in power. I don't know what the discrepancy is between the two but it's there.
Old 10-08-2008, 11:41 AM
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Numbers are fun, but real world comparisons will more than answer the question.
Old 10-08-2008, 01:00 PM
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The new G37 sedan - if it is quicker - most of it will have to do with the increase in power. Remember, 08 sedans are still 3.5 liter engine... not the 330 hp that 3.7 brings...
Old 10-08-2008, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverRSXJezus
It isn't just about the final drive ratio...you have to look at it for each gear.


If you compare gear by gear, if you multiply the numbers to see the more accurate gearing ratio, you'll see that the newer one is geared more aggressively.



If each individual gear has the same gear ratio and the only difference is final drive ratio, then yes, the car with the higher final drive ratio will have faster acceleration
+1, what he said.
Old 10-09-2008, 01:59 PM
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According to MotorTrend, the new G37 sedan can do 0-60 in 5.0sec flat.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...pressions.html
You knew it was only a matter of time until the G37 coupe's 3.7L V-6 trickled its way down to the G sedan. After all, since it made its debut for 2007, the four-door G, i.e. the G35, has had to battle the likes of Acura, Audi, BMW, Cadillac, and Lexus with a 3.5L 306-hp V-6 -- a powerful engine, for sure, but not one that blows away the competition. Luckily for G sedan enthusiasts, the time for the 3.7 is now.

As its name suggests, 2009 G37 sedan gets the coupe's larger six, tuned to 328 hp at 7000 rpm and 269 lb-ft of torque at 5200, an ever-so-slight drop from the coupe's 330 hp and 270 lb-ft. Arguably as notable as the bigger engine is the sedan's new seven-speed automatic, which made its debut in the 2009 FX crossover and also finds its way into the 2009 G coupe.

Not surprising, the acceleration times for the brawnier G37 S are markedly improved over the less-powerful, five-speed G35 S. Zero to 60 now takes only 5.0 sec, with the quarter-mile obliterated in just 13.5 at 105.3 mph. Compared with numbers from our long-term G35 S -- 5.3 and 13.9 at 99.9, respectively -- it's evident the additional 22 hp and two cogs make an appreciable difference. Further, the new powertrain pays dividends at the pump as well, thanks to EPA numbers (18 city/26 hwy) that are up one mpg for city and two for highway.

Utilizing the same Bridgestone tires and suspension setup as its G35 S predecessor, which put up 0.91 g lateral acceleration and 25.9 sec at 0.69 g in the figure-eight test, the G37 S delivers comparable, albeit negligibly inferior, handling performance, recording 0.90 g and 26.4 sec at 0.68 g -- likely a byproduct of the G37 S's extra 98 pounds of curb weight over the G35 S.
Whereas in the G35 S, the "S" represented a sport-tuned suspension, 18-in. wheels, and paddle shifters, for the G37 S, it now signifies a quicker 14.7:1 steering ratio (versus the G35 S's 16.4:1) and an Akebono brake system that boasts bigger discs (14.0-in. front/13.8-in. rear versus 13.0-in. front/rear) and four-piston front/two-piston rear fixed calipers. There are also new 18-in. alloys to accommodate the beefier binders. In 60-to-0 braking, the G37 S nearly matches the performance of the lighter G35 S -- 110 ft versus 109 -- but on a long, twisty road or a racetrack, where fade resistance is the remedy for myriad hard stops, it would likely outperform its forebear.

On public roads, the overall dynamics and feel of the G37 S are quite similar to that of the G35 S -- well-balanced, easy to induce oversteer, taut ride -- except, of course, that the G37 S feels a step quicker. Turn-in, thanks to the quicker ratio, feels sharper, and the aforementioned Akebonos deliver more progressive modulation, although during the figure-eight exercise, road-test editor Scott Mortara noticed more noise than he was expecting.

As this writing went to the digital presses, we had yet to receive official pricing, but Infiniti PR folk did indicate that the '09 G37 would receive a modest hike in light of the '08 G35. So figure a base price of around $34,000, with a well-equipped Sport version like our tester, which also had the Premium and Navigation Packages, topping out at roughly $41,000. In the realm of near-luxury sport sedans, that price tag represents strong value -- a similarly outfitted Audi A4 3.2 Quattro or BMW 335i can easily fetch $50,000. Considering the state of our economy, those savings can mean having your cake and eating it, too.
Old 10-11-2008, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LudwigB
According to MotorTrend, the new G37 sedan can do 0-60 in 5.0sec flat.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...pressions.html

Boys,
Here are the real acceleration from infiniti site in italy the 2009 g37s...

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</TH><TH style="WIDTH: 14%">
</TH><TH style="WIDTH: 14%">
</TH></TR><TR><TD class=tSpecsTableLeftCell style="WIDTH: 50%">Accelerazione 0–100 km/h [Cambio autom. 7 vel, trazione posteriore]
</TD><TD class=tSpecsTableSpecCell style="WIDTH: 42%" colSpan=3>5,9 sec
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tSpecsTableLeftCell style="WIDTH: 50%">Accelerazione 0–100 km/h [Cambio man. 6 vel, trazione posteriore]
</TD><TD class=tSpecsTableSpecCell style="WIDTH: 42%" colSpan=3>5,8 sec
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tSpecsTableLeftCell style="WIDTH: 50%">Velocità massima [Cambio autom. 7 vel. e cambio man. 6 vel., trazione posteriore]
</TD><TD class=tSpecsTableSpecCell style="WIDTH: 42%" colSpan=3>250 km/h
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Note that 0-60mph is little difference that 0-100km/h, but confirms what I expected: 6MT still be faster than 07AT...



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Old 10-11-2008, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fpenna2
Boys,
Here are the real acceleration from infiniti site in italy the 2009 g37s...

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</TH><TH style="WIDTH: 14%">
</TH><TH style="WIDTH: 14%">
</TH></TR><TR><TD class=tSpecsTableLeftCell style="WIDTH: 50%">Accelerazione 0–100 km/h [Cambio autom. 7 vel, trazione posteriore]
</TD><TD class=tSpecsTableSpecCell style="WIDTH: 42%" colSpan=3>5,9 sec
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tSpecsTableLeftCell style="WIDTH: 50%">Accelerazione 0–100 km/h [Cambio man. 6 vel, trazione posteriore]
</TD><TD class=tSpecsTableSpecCell style="WIDTH: 42%" colSpan=3>5,8 sec
</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tSpecsTableLeftCell style="WIDTH: 50%">Velocità massima [Cambio autom. 7 vel. e cambio man. 6 vel., trazione posteriore]
</TD><TD class=tSpecsTableSpecCell style="WIDTH: 42%" colSpan=3>250 km/h
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Note that 0-60mph is little difference that 0-100km/h, but confirms what I expected: 6MT still be faster than 07AT...



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Wasn't 0 - 60 like 5.4 sec on the 08s?
Old 10-11-2008, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fpenna2
Boys,
Here are the real acceleration from infiniti site in italy the 2009 g37s...


Note that 0-60mph is little difference that 0-100km/h, but confirms what I expected: 6MT still be faster than 07AT...



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Sorry bud, but you can't possibly expect that to always be the absolute truth.


Only way to know for sure is through independent testing.
Old 10-12-2008, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverRSXJezus
Sorry bud, but you can't possibly expect that to always be the absolute truth.


Only way to know for sure is through independent testing.

Yes, you might be right, but these numbers are offcial by infiniti italy site.
No matter what, these cars are aready at te street in europe...I will just look to find some independent test results and post it,

But, infiniti claims the 6MT is quicker than 7AT..by 0,1 seg. This makes sense.
Old 10-13-2008, 02:35 PM
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Remember you have to know how to drive the 6MT properly for it to be faster. From my experince, everybody thinks they drive stick better than they really can. Anyway, I think the 7AT will be at least .1 faster in the 1/4 than the 6mt if the gearing is correct.


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