That's what it means? You sound so positive. Are you saying that 100% of gasoline that has been submitted for testing has passed? How can you know for sure that (insert your gas station here) hasn't submitted their gas and failed?

We are talking about a multi billion dollar industry where $30K testing does not guarantee a certification unless it passes independent, certified testing. Of course, if you are Joe Schmoe Gas Station offering gas at $1 a gallon, I can understand not caring about top tier grading because hey, (some) people will buy your stuff no matter what!

 

I didn't realize you list "top tier" in your signature as a mod. I have my opinion, you obviously have yours.

Does it strike you at all odd that General Motors is listed as the registered domain owner and admin contact for the top tier website? Or that they also recommend it for all their vehicles?

 

Signatures are mod lists? I didn't know that was a requirement lol.

I noticed you couldn't answer any of my questions just add one of your own. It does not strike me odd that one the biggest manufacturers of cars runs a website that promotes top tier gas.

"Does GM decide who is TT?

No. Anyone can join the TOP TIER program. Once a fuel marketer has submitted their performance testing results, the data is reviewed by all of the automotive sponsors against the performance specification limits and is either a Pass or a Fail. If a Pass, the fuel marketer will be given a TOP TIER license agreement."

 

All gas is the same, the levels of detergent added by the individual companies varies a little. Personally I look for Non Ethanol gas.

 

This is true. Barrels of identical gas are stored and then sold to different manufacturers who then put their detergents in. The variation is what can determine if it can pass or fail top tier testing.

 

BP has top tier gas but Sunoco doesnt? Wow... I always thought BP's gas was ****.

 

Your questions cant be answered because top tier doesnt publish that data

I dont see where it says anything about gas stations submitting their gas. Their supplier does the testing and if they pass, gas stations can then choose that treatment and buy their license to be top tier.

 

Exactly! You said the following:

"That just means they haven't fallen victim to Top Tiers marketing and paid
to have their gas tested.."

and in your last comment say how that data isn't published. My question stands, how do you know they haven't tried to pass and failed?

 

Was Glad to see mine here. Shell( would have been really surprised if wasn't) But Sunoco wasn't Weird my back up gas. I ONLY use shell, being in Boston sometimes hard cause it seems to more Mobil than Shell stations. I would never run Mobil. I did it ONCE in my old Monte SS can would barley run, Was like it wanted to break down. I'm sure it was just a bad batch but was the first and last time I ran that.

 

They still have to pay a license fee based on the number of stations.

I should have said: that just means they havent fallen victim to top tiers marketing and pay extra for top tier certified detergents from their supplier and an annual license.

Nobody knows who passes or fails or even tries.. How do you know that the testing isnt so easy as to be a virtual rubber stamp process, and that 100% of the applicants pass?

Where are the in use tests that show a benefit to top tier gas? What is the real world impact of fuel injector fouling between base fuel at 5+ vs top tier at 0-1 as measured on a test vehicle "available from GM".

And why are they using such ancient engines on their tests? The VW 1.9 Wasserboxer introduced in 1982 (and likely carbureted), the 1990-1995 GM 5.0 (again, a carburetor based motor) and the ford 2.3 from the pinto era?

 

Look let's just agree to disagree. I don't understand by we don't know who passes, the list is right there of who passed. How do you know the test isn't a rubber stamp? Because then every gas station would have it, that's my opinion, I know it's not scientific but its a fact that only those certain ones have passed.

The questions you are asking deserve looking into and I hope you find your answers. I can only advice you to fully read Top Tier Gasoline

 

I live in MA too, Shell's are hard to find...except on the beach (lame). I was surprised to see Shell and also surprised to not see Sunoco. You think Mobil is that bad, I was under the impression it was the best and then I had Sunoco as my back up> Maybe I should check out Shell and use Shell or Mobil...what would you use as your back up now that Sunoco wasn't listed? Aren't they supposed to be the gas NASCAR uses? Thought it would be top tier gas in those cars, but maybe they don't care because of how well they keep those cars

I'm with you, I'm very surprised to not see Sunoco on there. I really thought they had awesome gas

 

Gas in NYC is garbage no matter what the octane is or the brand. Some gas staions i put 87 and the car pulls amazing. Others i put 93 and its horrible. Most mix it with water to make more $$ out of the consumer

 

Hess is going to disappear

Hess Stations to Be Renamed, but Trucks Roll On - ABC News

Glad the Christmas toy trucks will remain

Telcoman

 

So basically they duplicated the THX and JD Powers marketing scam with gasoline.

There is ZERO reason to believe this because YOU did not pay for the results. They don't publish their methodology, the raw measurements, nothing. And they do not explain how they correlate their evaluation of detergents into something tangible to the customer. They have not presented any evidence that a better detergent mix as measured by their testing actually translates into better engine life, better mileage, or better performance. Not only is their no causal explanation, they don't even attempt a correlation argument. Its the "but it has electrolytes" argument from Idiocracy. As I said in other threads...all you need to understand is whose pockets money is flowing from and to.