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Ape's IPL build (How Nissan should have done it)

Old Jul 26, 2017 | 10:16 PM
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Yeah still need to update all the photo links. There's so many that it'll take some time.

But while you're waiting....


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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 11:16 PM
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Yep, going to be a long haul getting bucket photos replaced, thanks for those^^^

Which vendor did you get your Buddy Club wheels from? Evasive motorsports used to have them for bargain pricing but the other places I've seen they're around $300 per (which is still fair, but IIRC evasive had them for under $200). These are wheels I've recommended to others before, so just curious

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Old Jul 26, 2017 | 11:18 PM
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I bought mine through ConceptZ and I noticed they no longer list them. I'd maybe contact ConceptZ and have them contact Buddy Club.

Or...contact Buddy Club directly.
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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by blnewt
Yep, going to be a long haul getting bucket photos replaced, thanks for those^^^

Which vendor did you get your Buddy Club wheels from? Evasive motorsports used to have them for bargain pricing but the other places I've seen they're around $300 per (which is still fair, but IIRC evasive had them for under $200). These are wheels I've recommended to others before, so just curious
you can import jdm spec Enkei RS05RR's they have 20x9/9.5/10/10.5
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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 08:33 AM
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Man, Enkei Japan actually has some cool wheels. But they're pricey. The ones you're referring to are Volk Racing cost. Mine were considerably less expensive even if I throw in the cost of the four new Michelin PSS I put on them.
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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 12:49 PM
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it looks great man, really clean. but no aero mods like front splitter, rear diffuser??
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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gill1606
it looks great man, really clean. but no aero mods like front splitter, rear diffuser??
His car is fine and clean and purposeful just the way it is. All that extra plastic crap would cheapen the overall look, IMO.
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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 02:39 PM
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His car is fine and clean and purposeful just the way it is. All that extra plastic crap would cheapen the overall look, IMO.
Not really, Ape is the one complaining about traction and getting the power down from the engine down onto the road. An Aero modification to the chassis would help in that regard.

Front splitter would help keep the front portion planted, while a rear diffuser would decrease air build under the rear portion of the car decreasing lift. Front Canards can help direct air flow to his spoiler and further help in the planting of the car to the road.

Don't buy the plastic crap, get original parts from a reputable place.

EDIT: but you're probably right. I feel it could be dropped a little lower. no?

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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 03:32 PM
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Fair point, if those things actually make a difference. 99% of the time, they're just bling.
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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gill1606
Not really, Ape is the one complaining about traction and getting the power down from the engine down onto the road. An Aero modification to the chassis would help in that regard.

Front splitter would help keep the front portion planted, while a rear diffuser would decrease air build under the rear portion of the car decreasing lift. Front Canards can help direct air flow to his spoiler and further help in the planting of the car to the road.

Don't buy the plastic crap, get original parts from a reputable place.

EDIT: but you're probably right. I feel it could be dropped a little lower. no?
A front splitter or rear diffuser would do nothing for low speed traction. They'd only help in high speed sweepers. Money is better spent on a quality limited slip differential and suspension components to solve that issue. Mechanical grip first, augmented by aero.

On top of that, nothing off the shelf that's offered for the G37 is effective. The TS-style rear diffuser may work with the extra added venturi runners (which aren't offered). Front canards would work but there's no real rear diffuser that's flat and runs the full length of the front underbody portion. Plus it has to look good, right?

I ran a real RE-Amemiya rear diffuser (looks like the Top Speed diffuser) on my RX and it did make a difference on track but again, only at speed. That car, with 1500 less pounds and almost 300 more hp, had far better traction off the line and coming out of corners. Better suspension design.

Honestly, nothing that we tack on is going to have much effect and Infinit did a lot of work with the stock aero components. Short of a proper front splitter, dive planes, integrated underbody and rear diffuser as well as a big *** wing, will have a positive effect. Again, only high speed handling.

Plus I'm "mature" and can't really run a lot of tacked-on parts and I honestly don't want the attention. I get enough harassment just from the wheels alone.

As far as lowering, it's not abundantly clear but take a look at the angle of my driveway. I can't go any lower and still make it in the garage. I still scrape the underbody brace as is at anything more than half a tank. Plus lowering serves a purpose, up to a point, and it's not about looks it's about roll center and corner weighting. Yeah people stance their cars but I'm not one of those. It's about performance. If it's detrimental, I'm not interested. If I had my choice I'd lay waste to the entire "stance" community. But to each their own. It's their money. I'm just more into function and I also don't really want to spend more money on the car other than maintenance and expendables. I'm pretty happy with it as is, mostly due to the diminishing returns and big money needed to take the car to another level.
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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 10:50 PM
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I don't get the issue you are having with getting power down? I have a decent mod list with 3.69s and an open diff and still can brake torque and launch just fine without breaking the back loose...I mean I can break it if I want to but I can also get traction if I want to. Maybe you need more seat time? Maybe your camber/toe is off? Maybe you need better tires? All possibilities.
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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 11:15 PM
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Well, I'm running 19x9.5's with wider than stock Michelin Pilot Super Sports along with my suspension mods. Traction is far better than the stock setup and especially with temps in the mid 90's to low 100's ambient air temp. Come fall and winter, with temps that drop into the 50-70 degree range, traction is an issue, particularly coming out of corners.

Straight line traction isn't nearly as bad as it was with the stock tires/suspension but I can easily break the tires loose in the first three gears while maintaining forward momentum. It'll chirp going into second, sometimes into third.

Alignment seems to be in check although I'm going to reduce the rear camber slightly.

If I launch hard from a dead stop, especially with the OEM traction control, the traction light goes nuts and you can hear/feel the "sizzle" as the tires loose grip. With EcuTek controlling things, it's much better but mostly when it's hot out. Maybe it's an asphalt issue in my area.

Seat time isn't the issue. Not my first rodeo by any stretch. My last sports car weighed in at 2500 pounds and had 603hp at the wheels. And I tracked it. With no traction control whatsoever. I used to do highway tuning runs late at night for tuning purposes and the car would start to go sideways at 80mph when the boost really came on in third and again in 4th gear, triple digit speeds. That car would run 10's on high performance 18" street tires.

I can't remember what the final drive ratio is on the 7AT and IPL models but I suspect it's the same as yours, 3.69, but obviously with the VLSD. I also have an intake that makes power, high flow cats, a true dual exhaust and I'm tuned. I'm sure that doesn't help the problem but I'm under no illusion that I'm making a ton of power or am somehow above the norm.

Maybe it's my expectations. I can get the car to hustle but past experience with other cars leads me to believe rear traction can be better. Could be a 7AT thing and my inability to modulate power with a clutch. I've never tried to launch using the torque brake method. I'll try to find some time to head out of town and do some straight line logged runs so I can graph out the traction loss.
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Old Jul 27, 2017 | 11:28 PM
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All 7AT models had 3.35 rear ends. You do have me on the vlsd though if it's even working anymore. I can easily lay two black strips with my open diff. Torque braking will most likely lead to more black lines for you lol. I have intake, exhaust and the 3.69 rear...no tune. Maybe that's why I have no issues with traction. Maybe the tune is the key. You probably make a lot more power under the curve than I do especially with all throttle restrictions removed. My tune will be here soon so maybe we can compare then. Ambient temps in my area are about 90-95 daily as well.
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Old Jul 28, 2017 | 01:09 AM
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of course, the RX-7 was built as a sports coupe straight form the factory. Although yours is an IPL version, the G37 still has remnants of a more grand touring purpose. Due to loack of performance focus, nissan probably did not feel it was necessary to spend so much on suspension work.

they probably just did enough to offer a comfortable enough drive, with minimum performance mods to stiffen the chassis a bit more and called it a day. The RX-7 was well endowed from the get go by Mazda.

Sorry i wouldn't know how to correct Nissan's seemingly lazy engineering besides say that maybe you could completely rework their suspension for them. Not exactly sure how far you have come or how far you are willing to go in that regard.
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Old Jul 28, 2017 | 08:09 AM
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Holy hell, ALL my photos are back online.

Photobucket must have:
1)Capitulated and realized it was an extremely d*ck move on their part
2)Someone hacked them and changed the code for third party hosting (for a brief time)
3)It's a plot and they've now given everyone a warning and time to either upgrade or go elsewhere
4)A judge, somewhere, somehow, understood they broke the internet and issued an injunction.
5)They really liked all my posts and photos on various forums and decided to do me a favor (yeah right!).
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