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Old 12-03-2014, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gill1606 View Post
I've googled this V36 350GT, the Chassis design is closer to the V36 (G37) generation
WTF "closer"? Really..? My G35 Sedan IS of the V36 generation (250GT = DBA-V36, 350GT = DBA-PV36, 370GT = DBA-KV36 or CPV36) as I originally stated.

All that babbling and you accomplished nothing.

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Old 12-03-2014, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tonyHTX View Post
WTF "closer"? Really..? My G35 Sedan IS of the V36 generation (250GT = DBA-V36, 350GT = DBA-PV36, 370GT = DBA-KV36) as I originally stated.

All that babbling and you accomplished nothing.

Apparently the G25, G35, G37 naming system is analogous to 250GT, 350GT, 370GT naming system, in the sense that they DO NOT depict generation of Skyline, but define the Displacement volume of the engine.


Again the Generation Code is determined by Engine class and Chassis Design. A Single generation can have different volumes of engine displacement defined by the G35/350GT, G37/370GT, G25/250GT naming scheme. This is also seen in the R Skylines where a single generation has seen multiple engine displacement volumes ranging from 1.8L, 2.0L, 2.5L, 2.6L in GTR spec models, and 2.8L.

So you are right, you do have a G35 in that your engine displacement is 3.5L, hence 350GT, but your chassis design is of the V36 generation. Hence a V36 350GT. Now if you added a twin turbo system to that, you would have a V36 350GT GTR.


You give up so easily, there is an explanation for almost everything.

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Old 12-03-2014, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by gill1606 View Post
Apparently the G25, G35, G37 naming system is analogous to 250GT, 350GT, 370GT naming system, in the sense that they DO NOT depict generation of Skyline, but define the Displacement volume of the engine.


Again the Generation Code is determined by Engine class and Chassis Design.


You give up so easily, there is an explanation for almost everything.
You have yet to back up your statement that my G35 Sedan is not of the V36 generation - your naming system comment (realization?) totally contradicts it:

Originally Posted by gill1606 View Post
Oh my God, a G35 isn't apart of the V36 generation, that is G37. G35s are the V35 generation.
Is it safe to assume that you retract your statement?

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Old 12-03-2014, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tonyHTX View Post
You have yet to back up your statement that my G35 Sedan is not of the V36 generation.



Is it safe to assume that you retract your statement?


for the first statement I have revised the post.


for the second statement, yes I do retract that statement as I have just learned a single generation can have multiple engine displacements defined by the G25/250GT, G35/350GT, G37/370GT naming scheme, which is completely independent from the Generation naming scheme, ie V35, V36 which takes into account the Engine class (defined by the Letter) and the Chassis Design (defined by the number).
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Old 12-03-2014, 05:39 PM
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you learn something new everyday, thanks for your input in further refining the classification understanding of Skylines.
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Old 12-03-2014, 05:52 PM
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^ Fair enough, kudos on that.

Now, if only you will retract your thoughts about adding an aftermarket Twin Turbo system to a VQ engined V35/V36 platform car automagically turns it into a GTR..

Because the previous GTRs were in fact built off of Skyline platforms I can somewhat see why you would want to make this connection.

But in addition to what I mentioned a few months back:
Originally Posted by tonyHTX View Post
There are so many other things that define a GTR than just the addition of twin turbos (AWD & Manual Transmission - except the R35, ATESSA ET-S, HICAS, subframes, floorpans, panel materials, interior, etc).
The R35 GTR uses the Premium Midship (PM) Platform which is not exactly the same as the Front Midship (FM) Platform that the V35 and V36 Skyline generations use (although it may be an evolution of the FM Platform, it is still technically a different platform).

As for the Q50 I am not sure if that is of the PM Platform - if it does in fact use the same PM Platform as the R35 I may be able to go along with the idea that the Eau Rogue could be considered a GTR.

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Old 12-03-2014, 07:15 PM
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Racing Spec V37 Skyline (Q50) to take part in the 2015 British Touring Car Championship. Unsure of engine specs, but it's said they intend to use a 4-cylinder 2.0L Turbocharged engine. Engine class to be used is unknown, most probably a VQ variant.

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Old 12-03-2014, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tonyHTX View Post
^ Fair enough, kudos on that.

Now, if only you will retract your thoughts about adding an aftermarket Twin Turbo system to a VQ engined V35/V36 platform car automagically turns it into a GTR..

Because the previous GTRs were in fact built off of Skyline platforms I can somewhat see why you would want to make this connection.

But in addition to what I mentioned a few months back:


The R35 GTR uses the Premium Midship (PM) Platform which is not exactly the same as the Front Midship (FM) Platform that the V35 and V36 Skyline generations use (although it may be an evolution of the FM Platform, it is still technically a different platform).

As for the Q50 I am not sure if that is of the PM Platform - if it does in fact use the same PM Platform as the R35 I may be able to go along with the idea that the Eau Rogue could be considered a GTR.

Just calling the GTR an "R35" is incorrect on this thread, the VR isn't based off the RB class of engine, it's based off the VQ used in V35 and V36 Skylines.


I still don't see anything wrong with calling a twin turbo Skyline a GTR, or single turbo Skyline a GTT. It's just like you cant call an R34 a GTR if its turbo were removed, Nissan doesn't either. this is why there are R34 GT, and R34 GTT in the market.


It's the same with a V35 or V36 Skyline, you cant call it a V36 GT (with whatever displacement-250,350,370) if its originally NA engine is being blasted with turbo-boost, it's still a racing upgrade, and GT level Skylines should not have racing modifications to their engine blocks, otherwise they are no longer GT and instead GTT or GTR just like the Skylines in previous gens. This is the heritage of the Skyline based on previous naming schemes, since V35 and V36 gens are also Skyline they should follow the same naming pattern.


I am sure you can convert the FM platform to a PM provided you had the funds. Moreover, it's not as though the R Skyline GTRs were PM platform, therefore based on heritage the PM platform should not be a requirement to dub a Skyline GTR.

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Old 12-03-2014, 09:23 PM
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however there is one thing that all contemporary Nissan released GTRs have, that the V36 370GT GTRs or V35 350GT GTRs don't have, and that is an ATTESA AWD system, in fact the drivetrain isn't AWD at all, it's RWD. However, the modification to the engine in these cars would still be at a GTR level specification with addition of twin turbo.

This is why V36 (250, 350, 370)GT GTRs and V35 GTRs are classed under Aftermarket Customer Produced (ACP) and not Nissan Company Produced (NCP), because Nissan produced GTRs will at least have the twin turbo plus an AWD system which is always the ATTESA ETS system at the very least.

This is a huge reason why there is a necessity to have a classification differentiating limitation of race technology by having 2 categories: ACP GTRs and NCP GTRs.

The Q50 Skyline may or may not still be considered a Nissan produced GTR because it does have twin turbo + AWD and a native Skyline engine at stock, but it will be the first not to have an ATTESA AWD because they cant fit it into a 4 door sedan configuration. So the Q50 Eau Rogue may have to be classed as an ACP GTR if someone decides to put a GTR badge on the car. I mean Nissan did all the turbocharging work for you and even added AWD, so might as well lol, but its not going to be a 6speed manual that's for sure, and neither is the V36 GTR.

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Old 12-03-2014, 10:08 PM
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sorry guys the ATTESA just shat on the parade, I realized all GTRs including the R series ones had twin turbo + ATTESA. although you could switch off AWD for RWD in the R32 GTR.

For those that have twin turbo on their Skylines, your engine spec is still GTR level, but your drivetrain is not. unless you spend money to upgrade the RWD to an AWD of some sort, ATTESA or not. Therefore, customer produced GTRs lack an ATTESA AWD system.
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LOL Gill you should start a GTR certification company.
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LOL Gill you should start a GTR certification company.
darn right, after the R34 gen, Nissan completely ignored the V35 and V36 370GT gens altogether, with zero substantial racing modifications like single turbo, twin turbo, or ATTESA AWD. It was the customer that shelled out cash for racing modifications to these 2 generations of Skyline. But the V36 GTR did build upon the V35 and V36 370GT generations, representing the GTR tier for these 2 ignored generations of Skyline. But as a Skyline enthusiast, these gens deserve their own specific tier of GTR, represented by aftermarket customer produced twin turbo VQs.
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So to correct myself from an earlier post: the common denominator for Nissan released GTRs is a Twin Turbo system + ATTESA AWD. Nissan may not badge the Infiniti Q50 Eau Rogue as GTR because although the engine is GTR spec, the drivetrain will not be ATTESA AWD for reasons mentioned earlier, Nissan will have to add a different AWD system.

HICA is also found in GTRs and is a steering system that kicks in when the car goes above 50mph, it keeps the rear two wheels in line with the front two when engaging a corner. However, this system is known to make cornering at higher speeds difficult, and therefore is usually switched off for race spec GTRs, but usually left on for road spec GTRs. Because it does not contribute immensely to the racing output of the GTR and is usually switched off in racing spec, it will not be considered as a significant contributor to GTR performance, unlike the twin turbo and ATTESA AWD.

And to sum up Aftermarket Customer Produced (ACP) GTRs: they are 1.) Twin Turbo and 2.) either RWD or AWD(ATTESA or non-ATTESA depending on the size of your wallet).

But here's the upside, you can have a 6speed manual in the V35, V36 370GT aftermarket GTRs. This feature doesn't exist in the V36 GTR and nor will it exist in the Eau Rogue. So if you want a 6speed manual GTR, aftermarket racing modifications is the way to go, or else good luck getting either an R32, R33, or R34 GTR into the United States.

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For the V35, V36 Generation the Coupe versions always have the highest volume of engine displacement as per Nissan specification, ie the V36 Coupe always uses a 3.7L engine (defined by G37, and 370GT). The sedan versions of the V36 gen use multiple displacement volumes from 250GT, 350GT, to 370GT.

It's the exact same for the Nissan spec V35 generation Skyline Coupe. 3.5L was the highest tier of volume in that gen, so the Coupes got a 350GT engine displacement volume. The V35 sedans got both 350GT and 250GT designations.

Even if you were to put a 370GT (3.7L) VQ in the V35 coupe, it would increase its power output, without its generation code being changed: because the engine class is still VQ and the body chassis is still the 35 design code.

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V35 coupe, Nissan spec 350GT only.


V36 Coupe, Nissan spec 370GT only.

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Originally Posted by gill1606 View Post
So to correct myself from an earlier post: the common denominator for Nissan released GTRs is a Twin Turbo system + ATTESA AWD. Nissan may not badge the Infiniti Q50 Eau Rogue as GTR because although the engine is GTR spec, the drivetrain will not be ATTESA AWD for reasons mentioned earlier, Nissan will have to add a different AWD system.
Food for thought: the Q50 Eau Rouge is using a Q70x AWD Transmission which is also built by ATTESA.
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