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Old 09-23-2014, 01:00 PM
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I like your opinions on what your thoughts are on the naming. One thing I didnt see, or over looked was AWD. What are your thoughts on that?
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Old 09-23-2014, 01:30 PM
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I think AWD is important to have, but the power the engine puts out is also important. there's videos on the thread of twin turbo G35s outpacing AWD GTRs and WRXs, itself being a RWD. I think AWD is an advantage because all 4 tires are being delivered power, instead of just the rear 2 wheels, so I think there should be an advantage there, given the engine can output enough power to the 4 wheels to make the difference between a win or lose.

so it seems a powerful engine coupled with AWD is the best scenario. if you have AWD but low engine power, even high powered RWDs (via forced induction twin turbo) can beat you. then you would be compelled to add forced induction or some sort of engine enhancement (supercharging) to the AWD as well in order to compete.

this is why I believe that the functional unit of a GTR is the twin turbo; if one were to pick a single factor from a skyline's entire build that defines GTR, that would be it. The G35 and G37 being the almost forgotten 11th and 12th generation Skylines, respectively, and Nissan's unsung GTRs.

EDIT: ATTESA ETS AWD is RWD biased until slip is detected, the AWD therefore helps maintain stability and pull in case the Rear wheels start to slip by splitting up to 50% of the torque ouput to the front wheels keeping the car more stable at higher speed cornering.

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Old 09-23-2014, 11:36 PM
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nearly forgotten Skylines and Nissan's unsung GTRs & GTTs, not to mention one of Nissan's under appreciated racing sleepers: the 11th and 12th Gen Skylines, known more commonly as GT level Skylines (350GT, 370GT respectively).


Contrasting with the more popular 9th and 10th Generation Skylines; also being the most widely known GTR variant Skylines. although there are GT (25GT), GTT, GTST (R33 only) variants.


the 2 videos highlighting 4 consecutive Skyline generations in a row: 9th (R33), 10th (R34), 11th(V35) and 12th (V36).

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G37 Skyline hierarchy, ie the 370GT.

factory base: 370GT; Nissan tweeks engine to get 10-20 additional HP: called the 370GT IPL; add a turbo: you have a 370GT GTT; add another turbo: 370GT GTR.

so the G37 hierarchy from least to greatest is:

(stock) 370GT < 370GT IPL < 370GT GTT < 370GT GTR.

For the G35 (350GT) it's one step less since Nissan never released an IPL version for it.

so from base to more enhanced model would be:

350GT < 350GT GTT < 350GT GTR.

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It should be clear that this thread classes Skylines as GTR depending on number of Turbo on the engine, based on the observation of engine codes found in GTR trim models.

As pointed out earlier, a GTR constitutes a number of modifications that enhance vehicle racing performance, and that a twin turbo system should not be the only defining factor for a GTR.

However, it is just as important to take into account the level of financial resources a customer has, and the resources a car manufacturer has. Which is of astronomical difference. Therefore, we can expect all racing modifications for a GTR tier Skyline from the car manufacturer, because the company has the resources to factor and implement these into the GTR's design. A customer who does not have access to such exuberant resources should not be expected to alter his/her Skyline to such a degree that the Nissan motor company does. To have such expectations from a middle class Skyline owner and GTR aspirant is unfair, silly, and unrealistic.

Therefore, since all contemporary GTRs by Nissan have a common denominator of Twin Turbo, the twin turbo modification to the middle class Skyline should be able to qualify it for GTR status. Moreover, this single modification has proven that originally stock GT trim Skylines that were unable to compete with other supercars, now became capable of going head to head with them.

In conclusion, and due to the fact that I am not a billionaire, just like most of my compatriots, for a middle class wage earner, addition of a twin turbo boost system should be able to qualify the Skyline as a GTR, especially if it is now able to compete with a Nissan company trim GTR as well. Consequently, this thread classes Skylines based on modification to the native skyline engine block (RB, VQ, VR), since it is inevitably and literally the driving force of the vehicle as opposed to other modifications.

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Joint GT3-JRM-Nismo GTR project. These GTRs are heavily racing modified and are far above racing specialized over Nissan trim and Nismo trim GTRs alone. Does this mean that only GT3 spec GTRs reserve the right to be called GTR (Gran Turismo Racer) due to the far superior racing modifications?

However, a Nissan trim V36 GTR is still called a GTR, so the question is actually simply a rhetorical one. And thus, if a customer upgrades the single most integral part of a Skyline's build to GTR spec (note 2:30 in video) with addition of twin turbo system, then why not allow the car to be called a GTR as well.

This is why the terms NCP-Nissan trim and ACP-customer trim terms were introduced in the thread. Thus, GTRs range from Nissan trim and Nismo trim, Customer and Third Party trim GTRs. The Skylines are still being racing enhanced nonetheless, from single turbo GTTs to twin turbo GTRs with or without other racing modifications. The degree of racing enhancement in the GTR depends on the resources of those undertaking the project, as is exemplified by differences in Nissan, Nismo, Customer and Third Party Manufacturer (ie JRM, GTM, SP, etc) spec GTR modifications.

V36 JRM-GT3-Nismo GTR

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Redbull-Infiniti Project on the 370GT Skyline, naturally aspirated. With all these racing modifications to the G37, I would still not call this a GTR because the engine is still GT spec. If they would also mate a twin turbo system to the engine, it would then become GTR spec, and hence right to call it a 370GT GTR.

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If they would mate a twin turbo system to the engine, it would then become GTR spec, hence a GTR.
I can't believe you keep going on about this.

You are still COMPLETELY WRONG.

P.S. I am adding twin turbos to my V36/G35 Sedan and according to your incorrect definition I will have a GTR.
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I can't believe you keep going on about this.

You are still COMPLETELY WRONG.

P.S. I am adding twin turbos to my V36/G35 Sedan and according to your incorrect definition I will have a GTR.

im just sharing my thoughts and what I find on the web with the Skyline community here, if you don't like it oh well cry me a river.
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Racing Spec V37 Skyline (Q50) to take part in the 2015 British Touring Car Championship. Unsure of engine specs, but it's said they intend to use a 4-cylinder 2.0L Turbocharged engine. Engine class to be used is unknown, most probably a VQ variant.
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Originally Posted by tonyHTX View Post
I can't believe you keep going on about this.
P.S. I am adding twin turbos to my V36/G35 Sedan

V36 is G37, you mean V35 sedan, hence G35 sedan.
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im just sharing my thoughts and what I find on the web with the Skyline community here, if you don't like it oh well cry me a river.
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V36 is G37, you mean V35 sedan, hence G35 sedan.
My G35 Sedan isn't a V36? So you are saying a V36 Skyline 350GT Doesn't exist?

You continue to show your how incorrect you are.

You need to stop with this "sharing my thoughts" BS because you keep trying present your erroneous thoughts as facts.
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My G35 Sedan isn't a V36? So you are saying a V36 Skyline 350GT Doesn't exist?

You continue to show your how incorrect you are.

You need to stop with this "sharing my thoughts" BS because you keep trying present your erroneous thoughts as facts.

Oh my God, a G35 isn't apart of the V36 generation, that is G37. G35s are the V35 generation. Dude you're just trolling on this thread now, either that or you cant read at all. you keep repeating erroneous, incorrect with bold lettering yet you fail to provide me concrete evidence to why my point of view is incorrect. Here it is again, read it real slow this time: if your engine is GTR spec, ie twin turbo charged, in a Skyline and the engine being native Skyline tech, in essence you have a GTR.

I cant improve my English further than that, I even put it in bold, idk maybe you understand bold better, and if you still don't get it, you probably never will. "you need to stop with this 'sharing my thoughts' BS [...]" who died and made you internet dictator.

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Originally Posted by gill1606 View Post
Oh my God, a G35 isn't apart of the V36 generation, that is G37. G35s are the V35 generation. Dude you're just trolling on this thread now, either that or you cant read at all. you keep repeating erroneous, incorrect with bold lettering yet you fail to provide me concrete evidence to why my point of view is incorrect. Here it is again, read it real slow this time: if your engine is GTR spec, ie twin turbo charged, in a Skyline and the engine being native Skyline tech, in essence you have a GTR.

I cant improve my English further than that, I even put it in bold, idk maybe you understand bold better, and if you still don't get it, you probably never will. "you need to stop with this 'sharing my thoughts' BS [...]" who died and made you internet dictator.
I am not trolling, I am stating a fact. If you google V36 Skyline 350GT - Do I need to google this for you? - you will see that such a car exists and that a 2007-2008 Infiniti G35 Sedan is the North American counterpart.

Hence my G35 Sedan is in fact part of the V36 generation, or PV36 to be exact. The VQ37VHR models are KV36 and CPV36, just FYI.

Even if you use bold lettering you are still incorrect because of your erroneous assumption that adding a twin turbo to any VQ engine makes said engine a VR38DETT, or as you keep erroneously putting it "GTR Spec".

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I am not trolling, I am stating a fact. If you google V36 Skyline 350GT you will see that such a car exists and that a 2007-2008 Infiniti G35 Sedan is the North American counterpart, hence my G35 Sedan is in fact part of the V36 generation.

Do I need to google this for you?

Even if you use bold lettering you are still incorrect because of your erroneous assumption that adding a twin turbo to any VQ engine makes said engine a VR38DETT, or as you keep erroneously putting it "GTR Spec".

there are 250GTs in the V35 generation as well, although the most popular was the 350GT. the chassis was still V35 Gen design, the only difference was a smaller engine. the same thing in the V36 generation, some had lower engine displacements like the 350GT you are referencing, but the chassis design is still V36 generation.


The engines are all VQ, hence V and the chassis design relates the number code (ie 35, 36). so although the engine displacements can vary in a given generation (either 2.5L, 3.5L, 3.7L) the generation code is defined by engine class and Chassis design, not the displacement size of the engine as indicated by 250GT, 350GT, or 370GT.

I've googled this V36 350GT, the Chassis design is closer to the V36 (G37) generation, the engine is VQ hence the "V," essentially making a V36 Skyline with a 3.5L engine displacement, ie a 350GT V36. I am also sure a 250GT was also released for the V36 generation as well, as a hybrid car.
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