View Poll Results: Grounding Kit Causing Battery Failure?
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Grounding Kit Causing Battery Failure
#16
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pretty much to solve the issue, we just keep a mini socket wrench in our car and everytime we're gonna leave the G undriven for days remove ground wire connected to the Vce- and leave it connected normally. (electrical tape the exposed end of the grounding wire) and we're good to go? hahha
#18
Since I removed the (-) terminal, I can definitely feel that AT lag again. The battery drain normally has taken about 4-6 months after I have received the new battery or ECU update. So it is difficult to determine if it is actually the ground kit or not. I just recently took the car back in again because it died 3x again in one morning. Now they are testing whether it is because of my radar detector (beltronics w/ stealth cord) causing the issue. However, I have never had another car that had a problem with this setup.
#19
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Ive had grounding kits on every car ive owned, including this one for almost 2 years now. I havent had any problems. I think cars that are having problems have another underlying issue within the electrical system and seeing as the ground kit is the only variable not part of the original eqaution it is the easiest part to put blame upon.
#21
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What I observed is the battery negative cable running through a ferrite ring assembly. Otherwise known as a clamp style ammeter.
This reports back to the ECM to control alternator output beyond that of the alternator's voltage regulator.
According to the FSM, the current sensor can be bypassed by unplugging it, and having the dealer
program the ECM to no use it, and letting the alternator regulate the charge.
Time allowing, I will remove the current sensor, and see how large of wire gauge can run through it. I will also see if it can be split, as it looks like a cable terminal wont slide through.
Another option would be to see if we could mail a current sensor for Black Betty to build a cable into it.
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#24
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Direct quote from the factory service manual:
Precaution for Power Generation Voltage Variable Control System INFOID:0000000001666062
CAUTION:
For this model, the battery current sensor that is installed to the battery cable at the negative terminal measures the charging/discharging current of the battery, and performs various controls. If the electrical component or the ground wire is connected directly to the battery terminal, the current other than that being measured with the battery current sensor is charging to or discharging from the battery. This condition causes the malfunction of the control, and then the battery discharge may occur. Do not connect the electrical component or the ground wire directly to the battery terminal.
Precaution for Power Generation Voltage Variable Control System INFOID:0000000001666062
CAUTION:
For this model, the battery current sensor that is installed to the battery cable at the negative terminal measures the charging/discharging current of the battery, and performs various controls. If the electrical component or the ground wire is connected directly to the battery terminal, the current other than that being measured with the battery current sensor is charging to or discharging from the battery. This condition causes the malfunction of the control, and then the battery discharge may occur. Do not connect the electrical component or the ground wire directly to the battery terminal.
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I just disassembled the cowling around the battery, removed the fuse block, and inspected this "current sensor".
What I observed is the battery negative cable running through a ferrite ring assembly. Otherwise known as a clamp style ammeter.
This reports back to the ECM to control alternator output beyond that of the alternator's voltage regulator.
According to the FSM, the current sensor can be bypassed by unplugging it, and having the dealer
program the ECM to no use it, and letting the alternator regulate the charge.
Time allowing, I will remove the current sensor, and see how large of wire gauge can run through it. I will also see if it can be split, as it looks like a cable terminal wont slide through.
Another option would be to see if we could mail a current sensor for Black Betty to build a cable into it.
.
What I observed is the battery negative cable running through a ferrite ring assembly. Otherwise known as a clamp style ammeter.
This reports back to the ECM to control alternator output beyond that of the alternator's voltage regulator.
According to the FSM, the current sensor can be bypassed by unplugging it, and having the dealer
program the ECM to no use it, and letting the alternator regulate the charge.
Time allowing, I will remove the current sensor, and see how large of wire gauge can run through it. I will also see if it can be split, as it looks like a cable terminal wont slide through.
Another option would be to see if we could mail a current sensor for Black Betty to build a cable into it.
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That said, does this really help the car? The solid steel that makes up most of the car is a far better conductor than some 4gauge strand could be. I won't judge since I haven't tried it, but this seems a little snake oily to me.
#28
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One option you have is to splice the ammeter to a thicker cable. Resistance is inversely proportional to cross sectional area and directly proportional to length. This is why you can run 1000 watts of power through a small fuse. If the high gauge cable is sufficiently short (less than 6 inches) and the rest is thicker low gauge cable, it really won't matter if the cable is not super heavy all the way through.
That said, does this really help the car? The solid steel that makes up most of the car is a far better conductor than some 4gauge strand could be. I won't judge since I haven't tried it, but this seems a little snake oily to me.
That said, does this really help the car? The solid steel that makes up most of the car is a far better conductor than some 4gauge strand could be. I won't judge since I haven't tried it, but this seems a little snake oily to me.
#29
Has anyone actually taken his or her car in to the dealer to have the ECU disabled from monitoring/controlling the charge voltage?