Lego_Maniac

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The thing is, the Yamaha engine with it's nest-of-snakes intake was exclusive to the SHO, it wasn't used in any other car. And the Oldsmobile engine was at least in the same parent company, and was at the end of days for the GM divisions designing their own engines. The inefficiency of having a 301, 302, 305 and 307 (aka 5 liter motors) is mind boggling.

But agreed, no 6MT, no care. I'd be in a Q50 if it was available with a manual. 400 horsepower, RWD, where do I sign up?

Rochester

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It would be high on my list. Particularly if it were AWD and 6MT.

(sigh)

RMB5190

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Completely off topic....If Infiniti was ever going to release the Project Black S I feel like riding the coat tails and press of the Supra would've worked in their favor and the time to do it.

It would've smoked the Supra in every measurable way.

In more un-related news, the GT500 looks very good IMO.

4DRZ

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I think the legend of the Supra precedes this car and will probably have good aftermarket support for that reason. However, it would have been nice to start with more power and the option of a manual. I know what you mean about manuals being more and more difficult to find.

Agreed. That Q60 could be a cool car with a 6MT and AWD. Just look at the tunes from Z1. WOW!!!

STownSaint

Grab one from the UK?

saywat?

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oh wth lol the current q50 has a manual in uk. and no q60. wth is up with that infiniti?!

Rochester

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saywat?

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its fun to see tho.

4DRZ

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And I would have to learn to shift with my left hand. Damn it. At least the pedals are in the right place.

Rochester

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It's like the Genesis G70 6MT... the manual is only for the weak engine. I think VW used to do that with the CC and Passat.



Stupid bean counters, sucking the life right out of the people who are the most enthusiastic about their cars.

Lego_Maniac

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Yup, 7.2 seconds 0-60 https://www.motortrend.com/news/gene...r-of-the-year/

RWD, Brembo brakes and an LSD are nice and all, but I think I'd just as soon take a 6MT Accord Sport, pocket the change, and be happy knowing I'd own a G70 in a stoplight showdown.

STownSaint

I'm sure they'll survive without us...

Seriously though, wonder what it is about the EU market that is hanging tight to the stick shift. And why has US stopped appreciating them? Combo of longer commutes, worse traffic and laziness?

Or maybe a better question is why are some of us so attached to manuals?

qmantran

Americans are lazy.

I'm sure over 60% of the population over there knows how to drive a manual. Whereas here in the states probably 20% or less knows how to drive a manual.

STownSaint

Since cars are generally more expensive in the EU, I guess the delta btwn manual and auto transmission is greater so more folks opt for the cheaper version. And apparently marketing is a bit different over there, with auto trans reserved more for luxury marques/upper trim levels, while here, even lowest base models are autos.

Also looks like some countries require driver test to be done in a manual, which is certainly a huge impact on market demand (since all drivers know how to shift)

Interesting...

canucklehead

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^ yup, it's annoying that Genesis only paired the 6MT with the 2.0T. trust me, i know. that said, the overall package is outstanding, especially in CAD where we get way more Sport/luxury goodies than the US trim. interestingly, the 6MT trim is NOT the cheapest trim. and real world power/acceleration (aside from off the line 1st gear) is more than enough to stay ahead of most. including my old G37S 6MT, up until mid-way through 4th gear when the G37 pulls away. but that's at 100+mph which constitutes a very low % of actual driving for obvious reasons. i did side-by-side comparo before selling the G37. instrumented test data is all over the map, with other media sources having the G70 @ 6.2s 0-60 which still isn't great, but again the G70 gearing is long in 1st which hurts off the line times. my old G35 6MT sedan with 260/260 and similar weight was ~5.8-5.9 0-60, which is where the G70 should be, but gearing kills that.

there's a lot of area under the curve with 260 ft.lb @ 1400rpm compared to the G37 with 269 @ ~4500 (iirc). the 3.3T along with 6MT would be sweet, but Genesis is not about to R&D a new gearbox for such a low volume trim. they already had access to a 6MT from the new Hyundai N models.

as for the Accord 2.0T 6MT, go test drive one. i did. sure, they are quick off the line - and the front tires let you know that, especially if there are any curves in the road under heavy throttle. but then there's everything else about it. feeling like you're driving a barn for one, cheap plastics abound for another, and on and on. far too many compromises for this guy for 0-60 bragging rights. there's just nothing that feels special about it. just don't ask the Honda sales team since their pitch is basically "these Hondas sell themselves, we don't need to". reminds me of the lazy realtors in Vancouver during all the foreign buyer speculation.

of course i am biased, but i wholeheartedly agree that the G70 6MT platform deserves the big engine. i still find that what Infiniti did with the G37S 6MT Sedan trim packaging was the best execution. they knew that executive enthusiasts would pay for a top trim (read: higher margins for Nissan) when paired with a 6MT. the 6MT package came 'loaded' which was perfect out of the box in its day. like having the cake and eating it too. nowadays, the 6MT loyalists have to compromise in almost all cases. the Acura TL 6MT was similar to the G37, only available on top trim, but it was the FWD TL and hideous so no go.