MT synchros and lube
Took my new to me 08 G37S MT to the lube stop to get all new slickum. They put Pennszoil synthetic GL4 75W85 in the gearbox. Everything fine that afternoon and next morning (65F). That afternoon (75F) shifting into 3rd it feels a little extra notchy and switching into 5th I get a synchro gnash. WTF. Same thing next day, good in the morning, 5th gear gnash in the afternoon. Park the car (50K mi). I'm convinced lube stop did not screw it up. I've ordered some Redline MT90 to try. So my question is 1) are these boxes sensitive to lubricant type and 2) are synchros a know weak point? |
I can say that in my case, no is the answer to both questions. However the proper Redline gear lube for your transmission is MT85. I have it on the shelf waiting to go into mine.
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Well, my owners manual says 75w85 or 75w90 and I was going to go with the heavier oil based on the better shifting at lower temperatures. I hate to waste the oil if it won't help. I'm in Clute. I've got a 3 month, 3000 mi warranty from Texas Direct. Damn, they've got a lot of nice cars. Thinking about it the temperature thing is totally bizarre because even in the cooler weather the gearbox shifted well after 50 miles of driving.
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Redline MT-90 GL4 in mine for 2500 miles, no new problems (My 5th gear synchro is almost dead (70k)). If a MT is designed for GL4, you MUST be sure the proper gear oil is going in there.
A big, big issue in Evo world.. GL5 will trash those transmissions real quick. I cant speak from experience with the 6mt in these cars, but I wouldn't dare use anything other than GL4 gear lube. |
Hmm... A little digging produced this thread:
MT-90 from Redline - Nissan 370Z Forum It seems like a good breakdown of various behaviors of different fluids. Maybe our transmissions are more finicky than I realized. Ryan@RJM is someone who's experience and opinion I would trust. I may try the MT90/MTL/Amsoil Synchromesh cocktail. Or since I already have it, 2 parts MT85 and one part Amsoil Synthetic Sychromesh since I already have the MT85 and ti's the same thing as the MTL/MT90 mix. |
Originally Posted by GP4L
(Post 3763139)
Redline MT-90 GL4 in mine for 2500 miles, no new problems (My 5th gear synchro is almost dead (70k)). If a MT is designed for GL4, you MUST be sure the proper gear oil is going in there.
A big, big issue in Evo world.. GL5 will trash those transmissions real quick. I cant speak from experience with the 6mt in these cars, but I wouldn't dare use anything other than GL4 gear lube. http://www.amazon.com/Red-Line-50304-Transmission-Transaxle/dp/B000CPCBEQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1397060201&sr=8-2&keywords=redline+oil<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> |
I'm looking in Amazon and don't see anything called MTL. Is that the Manual Transmission and Transaxle lubricant? BTW, is there someplace to buy Redline in Brazosport? I remember looking on their website once upon a time and it showed a place in Sweeny.
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Originally Posted by littlefield
(Post 3763146)
I'm looking in Amazon and don't see anything called MTL. Is that the Manual Transmission and Transaxle lubricant? BTW, is there someplace to buy Redline in Brazosport? I remember looking on their website once upon a time and it showed a place in Sweeny.
Red Line Synthetic Oil - Gear Oil for Manual Transmissions |
Originally Posted by Black Betty
(Post 3763142)
Hmm... A little digging produced this thread:
MT-90 from Redline - Nissan 370Z Forum It seems like a good breakdown of various behaviors of different fluids. Maybe our transmissions are more finicky than I realized. Ryan@RJM is someone who's experience and opinion I would trust. I may try the MT90/MTL/Amsoil Synchromesh cocktail. Or since I already have it, 2 parts MT85 and one part Amsoil Synthetic Sychromesh since I already have the MT85 and ti's the same thing as the MTL/MT90 mix.
Originally Posted by littlefield
(Post 3763143)
Based on your respone it doesn't sound like these gearboxes are exactly rock crushers. The Redline MT90 definitely says it's GL4.
http://www.amazon.com/Red-Line-50304-Transmission-Transaxle/dp/B000CPCBEQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1397060201&sr=8-2&keywords=redline+oil<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> The point I was making is -- the most important part of the label on your gear oil is ** GL4 ** Gear oil that says something like "GL4/GL5 compatible" I stay away from. GL5 has friction modifiers in it to make it more "slippery". Synchro's designed for GL4 oil, will not work right with GL5 oil and WILL cause damage to the transmission. Saw this hundreds of times in the Evo community. Vice-versa for a transmission designed for GL5 oil. |
I've got GL4 75w90 (as it turns out) name brand oil in it. Pennzoil synthetic. May not be the optimum stuff but the synchronizers shouldn't grind. It's going to the doctor.
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OP,
Based on this forum and the 370Z forum, I would say the 5th and 6th gear synchros are weak. Some people will tell you not to skip shift this transmission. I do skip shift, but I pause slightly to let the rpm drop, which acts like double clutching. Greg |
Originally Posted by littlefield
(Post 3763351)
I've got GL4 75w90 (as it turns out) name brand oil in it. Pennzoil synthetic. May not be the optimum stuff but the synchronizers shouldn't grind. It's going to the doctor.
Originally Posted by gsm026
(Post 3763593)
OP,
Based on this forum and the 370Z forum, I would say the 5th and 6th gear synchros are weak. Some people will tell you not to skip shift this transmission. I do skip shift, but I pause slightly to let the rpm drop, which acts like double clutching. Greg |
Running Red Line MT-85 approx 12k mi. with no issues besides the 2nd&5th syncro via quick shifts.
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Originally Posted by littlefield
(Post 3763003)
...I'm convinced lube stop did not screw it up. ... If you care enough to have things like tranny fluid or diff fluid changed then care enough to try and do it yourself. If you cant then find a respectable certified mechanic to do it. The cost wont be much if any of a difference and at least that piece of paper says they knew at some point what they were doing. Some of those "other" fluids too have special additives that in the wrong transmission can cause problems. Pennzoil being one i have seen first hand as bad for RX8 transmissions. I've used redline MT90 in other cars and its on my hit list for the next few weeks for my coupe when i swap the tranny and diff fluids out. |
I have a 2010 G37S - manual transmission. At 14,000 the synchros in sixth gear started to go. I brought it in and they replaced the transmission - work order said "Found mechanical failure. Synch RO failure".
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